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6-7, Quick Game Thoughts

That was both a frustrating game, and an understandable one. On the one hand, the Mariners blew some glorious chances. Chone Figgins getting thrown out in the first. Eric Byrnes and Casey Kotchman making a mess on the basepaths in the second. Ichiro getting caught off first in the sixth (pattern!). Franklin Gutierrez and Jose Lopez making outs in the eighth with the tying run in scoring position. And so on. This was, in many ways, a very winnable game.

But on the other hand, look at the LOB column for Detroit. 33. Not only did they put 18 runners on base; they put 11 runners on base with zero outs, and had 15 runners on base with one out. You could credit Mariner pitchers for the fact that Tiger hitters went 4-24 with men on base, but at the same time you can't play with fire that often and not expect to get burned. This was, more than anything else, a poor effort, and though the M's hung around through their final at bat, ultimately, they didn't deserve to win. The Tigers simply did more.

Going to make this quick, as hockey's put me in a foul mood and I have an errand to go run.

  • This is hard. Ian Snell has made three starts this season, and two of them have been bad. However, in one, he was dealing with the recent loss of a family member, and in the other, he was dealing with the recent loss of a family member and the flu. I don't mean to be insensitive, and I feel horrible for Ian, but this stuff is making it really difficult to see what he's going to bring to the table. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's dealing with some real issues, but all I have are the numbers in front of me.

    Striking fact: Snell threw more than 80% fastballs this afternoon. His velocity wasn't suffering, and he sustained it through the duration of his appearance, but I wonder if he just wasn't feeling his breaking ball, because he faced a lot of righties.

  • Miguel Cabrera killed his home run, and he killed it despite being out in front of the pitch. This is why it's so dangerous to throw changeups to same-handed hitters. Cabrera thought he was getting an inside fastball, but because Snell's change tailed in - rather than away, like a slider - Cabrera was able to adjust his swing and whip the barrel around to hit the ball 600 feet. 

  • Ken Griffey Jr. has seven hits, and I feel like every single one of them has been a roller between first and second base. I know that isn't true, but, man.

  • If you didn't hear, Milton Bradley was scratched from the lineup before the game with a sore calf. It's not major, and he was able to pinch-hit in the ninth, but this is one of those things you'll want to get used to, especially as long as he keeps playing the outfield. He hurts himself. All the time. Note that this is precisely why I hate carrying two DHs who are totally worthless.

  • In the bottom of the seventh, with a man on first, Adam Moore tried to bunt for a base hit down the third base line. Adam Moore is a catcher. Brandon Inge is one of the best defensive third basemen in baseball. There were two outs. I haven't the foggiest what that was about.

  • I'm trying not to complain about ball/strike calls very often, because it gets redundant and annoying, but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention perhaps the most egregious mistake by home plate umpire Scott Barry:

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    I'm talking about pitch #5, which was a 3-1 fastball to Chone Figgins by Max Scherzer. We know about the lefty strike, but this one's particularly ridiculous, because the pitch was never very close to the zone, and worse, as a fastball, it was only tailing away. If Barry calls that a ball, the M's have Ichiro and Figgins on base with no one out in a 3-2 game. Instead, the count went full, and Figgins lined out (into a double play, no less) on the next pitch. That's a big swing on an outside fastball.

  • This team turns some incredible double plays. Chone Figgins knows what he's doing. I didn't like Sean White intentionally walking the righty Cabrera to face the lefty Carlos Guillen in the seventh, but the ensuing 4-6-3 was just the latest in a line of spectacular turns.

  • Casey Kotchman seems to make another brilliant defensive play every game. Unfortunately he also seems to run himself into a bad out just as often. Being slow is bad. Being overly aggressive is bad. Being slow and overly aggressive doesn't make a lick of sense. Good news: Kotchman went down and got that 1-1 fastball he yanked for a home run. The guy we all feared would be a groundball machine has five extra-base hits in 12 games, and is slugging .500. One to watch? One to watch.

  • This afternoon, Eric Byrnes lost a fly ball in the sun, fell over backwards making a routine catch, dove to snag a ball and lost it on the second turn, attempted to run over catcher Alex Avila, and popped out. Nobody packs as many events into an average game as Eric Byrnes. Eric Byrnes is like David Eckstein concentrate.

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David Eckstein concentrate.

Hilarious.

Eric Byrnes is so much fun to watch. He’s a wonderful entertainer.

Ya...He should retire and be a comedian
If only Byrnes could learn to sing and dance he would be working a show in LV.
Moore's bunt

He bunted because he can’t get on base by swinging away. As much as Rob Johnson annoys me, I’d rather have him over Moore. I would love Moore to be alright, but I don’t think he’s ready.

Moore can actually catch like a major leaguer

Granted, he’s been terrible on offense – but I’ve got to wonder if it isn’t worth giving him more time to acclimate to the big leagues, particularly considering the alternative isn’t much better at batting and endlessly worse defensively.

And this is even bearing in mind that catchers really shouldn't be much different from one another defensively

But Rob Johnson is just so bad at catching that he puts himself on a different level.

It has been a horrifying revelation

That Rob Johnson appears to be significantly more valuable at the plate.

Adam Moore might continue to improve and pass him, but Rob’s recent patience makes me much happier to see him up to bat. Not so happy to watch him take fastballs off the foot though.

He's a freaking rookie people give it time.

Based on everything else we’ve seen from Rob at the plate this is most likely a fluke. Plus he’s looked bad in a good number of at bats this season. Also Rob Johnson is simply a liability whenever he squats behind that plate. Lastly, I think that Moore isn’t feeling any confidence from the mariners, is constantly looking over his shoulder, and just can’t get anything going with the inconsistency of his starts.
LET HIM PLAY A FEW IN A ROW WAK. PLEASE.

Small sample size but these numbers are funny

Rob leads the team in BB% and his .803 OPS is second to Franklin. I’ll take a .368 wOBA from Rob the rest of the year : ) The funny part is his FB% is way up so far compared to his career numbers and his LD% and GB% are way down.

All of it adding up to 0.2 WAR so far…and that’s tied for second on the team with Chone Figgins. This was all before today’s game started though. Funny stuff.

The SSS prevents any conclusions

But this is just his second year in the league. It seems not just reasonable, but expected that we would see improvement at the plate.

We can’t expect this kind of improvement to continue, but I’d be happy if he became one of the players who regularly sees a lot of pitches. Would fit in with the pitch count strategy of the team as a whole.

Since when is 13 games of bad catching over this year and last worse than 86 games of bad catching?
I was at the game.

Each Moore swing was more feeble than the previous. He was way late on every fastball he swung at. Might be a good idea for him to just let some of those pitches go by until he can get his bat up to speed.

It's possible

his AAA numbers certainly weren’t stellar. But maybe it’s a good idea to wait till he collects 150PA or so to really say. The old school types in the front office seem to think the world of him.

Eric Byrnes is the best thing since sliced bread
Eric Byrnes is a big dumb golden retriever.

Hooray Eric Byrnes.

So we have a golden in the outfield, and a pug at short.
You must mean 'yellow lab'

Golden retrievers are smart.

Depends on the golden....
The way his hair sticks out of his cap looks more like a Chow to me.
Eric Byrnes

His name is a sentence. (The way its pronounced, anyway)

Another note on that Figgins double play:

Gutierrez came up next and hit a double. 1 or 2 runs would have scored on that double with Ichiro and Chone on first and second.
I know you can’t really say we’d’ve won if the ump had gotten that one call right, but it left me with a bad taste in my mouth the rest of the day.

I was feeling the same way. This was winnable, but we didn't get the win.
That is not how things work!
That's right, but we still would have been in a much better situation

You obviously can’t say that Guti still would have doubled, but as I said at the time, you’ve gotta feel like we probably would have been able to get at least a run in. No matter what you think would have happened, it was still a shitty call that hurt us.

The Figgins at bat changing would result in the Guti at bat changing.
To a three run home run!

obviously

Okay, to be fair, he said that in the comment.
Im really anxious to see if our offense can put it together...

Top of the order walking, hitting line drives and running, middle of the order working the count, hitting an occasional HR, bottom of the order not flailing at every pitch like idiots

Obviously were not going to get a ton of big flies but if the Mariners eliminate all the stupid baserunning mistakes and just be more like Chone Figgins maybe our offense can be decent…

"I left one pitch up..."

“…and that was the only thing that hurt me the whole game.” -Ian Snell (4/18/2010)

I feel bad for him right now, so I'm gonna leave that alone.

Remind me of this when I hate him again.

Figgins as the lead off batter?

I have watched or followed most of the M’s games so far this season and it keeps occurring to me that maybe the Mariners would get more run production if Figgins batted first in the order and Ichiro second. They are both premier lead off hitters but Figgins was born and bred from his Angel training to go from first to third almost instinctively. Ichiro has everything and more than Figgins talent wise but I see Ichiro as being more of a clutch hitter than Figgins. It seems Ichiro would move Figgins over and around the bases more often than Figgins does Ichiro now.

Clutch hitting is not a skill.
I would agree, it doesn't exist.

Neither Ichiro nor Figgins is a clutch hitter. There is no such thing as a clutch hitter. But it might make for sense for Figgins to bat first, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. Ichiro wants to bat first and they are going to let him.

Turns out it is
Yeah, it's just hard to quantify. But Ichiro does seem to hit at least a little better in "clutch" situations.

He has a career .811 OPS overall but a career .860 OPS with runners in scoring position and a career .813 OPS in high leverage situations, .832 in medium leverage situations, and .786 in low leverage situations.

I don’t think that’s conclusive by any means, or that we should bump Ichiro from the lead-off spot (especially since Figgins gives him so many opportunities to run by being so patient), but it’s interesting.

Well this is late.
I haven't seen the primary work

only read other’s references to it. But it seems the way it breaks down is that clutch hitting is indeed a skill which some players are better or worse at, but the range is small enough that it is overshadowed by random variance. Someone else should do a better job of communicating this.

I agree with your first sentence.

But I think the “hard to quantify” is key, and essentially disproves the remainder of the comment. If those were an accurate representation of clutch hitting, it wouldn’t be that hard to quantify.

Note: Chone Figgins shows the same splits, albeit to a lesser degree. So does I think almost everyone else, if I’m not mistaken.

While I think you're right, I don't think they are going to do this.

Ichiro gets to bat where he wants to. He wants to go first.

That makes perfect sense.
That's not the only reason.

Ichiro is skilled at infield hits. But if Figgins is on base, and he grounds to third base, the third baseman is going to throw to second and get Figgins. If you put him second you lose one of his primary skills, making him less valuable. On the other hand, Figgin’s value doesn’t change much.

Actually Ichiro hits better with men on than with the bags empty

.800 OPS bases empty, .832 men on, .860 RISP for his career. Turns out Ichiro has a lot of skills and uses them when appropriate.

I'm not convinced those numbers are an accurate representation of either clutch hitting or his abiltiies in these sitatuions.

But okay.

Chone's the more patient hitter so he bats second.

It’d be hard for Figgins to steal any bags with Ichiro batting behind him. As far as speed on the bases, I think they’ve been about equal for the last several years. They both add 5-7 runs a season with their legs.

I think I agree with you, but for a number of reasons I imagine the ultimate difference would be very very small
I don't mind losing the game at all, Snell got really lucky

It’s the god damn baserunning mistakes that I can’t stand. There’s no reason why they should still be happening. I don’t know if these have been mostly on the base coaches or the players, but this is costing us runs in a big way.

Jeff, if you're unhappy about the Sens, two words:

Dan Boyle.

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