Biggest Contribution: Doug Fister, +17.8%
Biggest Suckfest: Jose Lopez, -21.2%
Most Important AB: Gutierrez single, +9.6%
Most Important Pitch: Wieters line out, +4.2%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +18.2%
Total Contribution by Lineup: +11.2%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +20.6%
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Fister was really, really impressive tonight.
So much so that I used two adverbs to describe it.
thehemogoblin - April 19, 2010
He was awesome - some of his pitches were downright nasty.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
Actually, you just used one twice.
Eyebrows - April 19, 2010
It still equals two adverbs though.
M'sFanatic - April 19, 2010
two words, one adverb
pdb - April 20, 2010
But each of the words is an adverb, so two in all. He didn't say two different adverbs.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
I'm pretty sure 'tonight' counts as an adverb in that sentence,
so you used three.
ChristopherA - April 19, 2010
Yeah, but that's an OK adverb.
Really, really, on the other hand, aren’t.
thehemogoblin - April 19, 2010
What happened to Guti?
Ef the yankees - April 19, 2010
Apparently a groin tightness. Nothing pulled.
svart aske - April 19, 2010
If this game caused Guti pain then to hell with it.
the other side - April 19, 2010
Just a cramp
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
I'm sure there are a legion of volunteers to massage it out for him.
JAH - April 19, 2010
We're they taking résumés?
the other side - April 19, 2010
Adam Jones volunteered but was rejected
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
To be fair, Adam Jones is known for very half-hearted massages
groovewrangler - April 19, 2010
I love WE charts that look like that.
It’s good for my heart.
craig3410 - April 19, 2010
Indeed.
Jeff, you can even make a bad game easier to stomach when you add that personal touch to the win expectancy charts.
groovewrangler - April 19, 2010
I'm pretty sure charts that look like that are bad for your heart.
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
I can't believe one of my favorite players is actually helping the team
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
David Eckstein just hit a monster walkoff home run
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
In his son's Little League game
jtopps - April 19, 2010
No it was in a Major League Baseball game
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Johnson and Lopez are the only negatives. =(
joof - April 19, 2010
What's new?
Matt Erickson - April 19, 2010
Still, even if he didn't complete it
his name was all over the world on MLB.com and ESPN.com for a few minutes.
And hell, how many guys can say they went that far with a no-no?
craig3410 - April 19, 2010
I can't follow the game treads, but if it wasn't mentioned - Sims jinxed it.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
If you followed the game threads, you'd know that everyone jinxed it
ermac - April 19, 2010
According to tradition, only announcers and people at the game can jinx it.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
I'm pretty sure Fister's lack of an out pitch jinxed it
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
There's been alot of guys getting pretty close this year. Maybe Felix can get one.
the other side - April 19, 2010
And they all seem to play for Toronto.
Hopefulmsfan - April 19, 2010
It's their early season flukes
Happens every year.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Quite a few, actually
Sabathia, Romero, and Marcum have all done it so far this year. Oh, and that Jimenez guy.
Brian Floyd - April 19, 2010
Dont forgot Brandon!
EequalsMc2 - April 19, 2010
What is this strange emotion I am feeling?
Could it be pride?
ErictheRed - April 19, 2010
Less Shame?
Rollo Tomasi - April 19, 2010
Epic game
Hope Gutz is ok :(
Punkhazard - April 19, 2010
Holy hell, Rob Johnson is terrible.
The only damper on an excellent all-around team performance.
Fearless Frog - April 19, 2010
Umm... Jose Lopez?
thehemogoblin - April 19, 2010
His D was nice
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
The defense in general was very good tonight.
Even Johnson managed to catch a foul tip.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
Fister's play at first restored my manhood.
Shrug - April 19, 2010
Yeah, but that stretch almost cost him his.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
I was going with the chart.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
thehemogoblin - April 19, 2010
He can catch balls that come toward him.
the other side - April 19, 2010
He can hit from time to time.
Very effectively, even.
Fearless Frog - April 19, 2010
Guti's manliness is a double-edged sword
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Literally.
Attractive Nuisance - April 19, 2010
I really, really like Kotchman's swing.
Byrnes’ swing, on the other hand, makes me want to beer-bong Clorox.
Teej - April 19, 2010
I agree about Kotch's swing
I think I like Byrnes’s swing for the same reason you hate it
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
I think Kotch is the biggest steal this offseason.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
I'm still surprised by how good our FO is at talent evaluation.
JAH - April 19, 2010
No stealing allowed.
M'sFanatic - April 19, 2010
I'd wait a few more months before you make that conclusion.
He’s had a hot start, but it’s a very small sample size.
EnglishMariner - April 20, 2010
I don't understand why he attacks the ball from such a upward angle
How did he get the majors with a golf swing like that?
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
His defense at first is making him valuable. The hitting is a freakin awesome bonus.
the other side - April 19, 2010
Ouch. I watch it with a similar reaction. It looks like he's trying to popup on purpose,
and that’s only when he’s close. Fix him.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
Just use Milwaukee's Best!
Griffin Cooper - April 19, 2010
I like how it's just "good inning" now
Feel a little bad for Bergesen though, he’s not this bad but he’s probably outsky =\
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
The bad news: Texas and Anaheim are getting right back in it with us
So, pretty much shaping up as everything the season we thought it would be.
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
It's okay. As long as we hang around through April, the rest will be interesting to watch.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
At least into May it will be.
Robert - April 19, 2010
Texas just got swept, and has lost four straight. Not sure I'd classify them as "getting right
back in it with us".
Bottomline, we knew this was going to be a four team race and we needed to stay in there while Cliff nursed his injury.
We’ve done a good job so far.
Rudy4three - April 19, 2010
Oh absolutely, been saying that all week
But they’re still just a game back from us. There is plenty of reason to be optimistic as our schedule is easier up til we get Mr. Lee back. But any hopes of the Angels falling so far behind they couldn’t catch up are pretty much gone now.
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
I'm just relieved we didn't fall so far behind after that poor start
Rudy4three - April 19, 2010
They played the Yankees.
And looked okay in two of the losses I think.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
So I've been hearing rehab "start" alot. Is Cliff only going to have one in Tacoma?
the other side - April 19, 2010
Maybe even two.
From Shannon Drayer:
harkening - April 19, 2010
Ah thank you.
So what the hell happened to a quick ruling on the suspension?
the other side - April 19, 2010
Bud Selig runs Major League Baseball.
harkening - April 19, 2010
I don't know if it was mentioned in the game treads, but Sims brought up an old line
I haven’t heard in many years, “4/5 of the world is covered in water, the rest is covered by Guti”. Originally, someone elses name was there, but I doubt he was as incredible as our CF. I hope that pull was just misplaced excitement.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
Neon Deion
cwel87 - April 19, 2010
I thought the original was Garry Maddux.
craig3410 - April 19, 2010
Weird timing on this comment.
I just started reading a book by Bill Adler called baseball wit. It is filled with classic quotes by people in and around the game.
It is a fun book. Lots of great quotes.
Rich Langford - April 19, 2010
Yeah, Gary Maddox was the original. But Neon Deion is the only person to have
played in both a World Series and a Super Bowl, so I’m guessing they said that about him too. Guti’s good, not WS/SB, but he’s going to rack up a lot of Gold Gloves in CF just like Maddox. But he’s ours and we are now beginning to figure out defensive metrics. Guti can cover some ground.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
You didn't hear?
Guti’s the new Seahawks CB.
Hopefulmsfan - April 20, 2010
Who needs Eric Berry when you can have Franklin Gutierrez!
Fearless Frog - April 20, 2010
Love the offense picking up.
Guti is locked-in on everything. Lopez needs to be dropped down a few spots while Kotchman moves into the 4th spot against right-handed pitching. Ichiro also appears to have found his groove after his usual slow start. Overall, at least we know we can destroy bad pitching.
Wilder. - April 19, 2010
Wak refuses to step on Griffey's feet so he'll continue to ruin rallies batting fifth.
Then we got the whole “relieve pressure from Bradley” thing going on which is forcing Lopez to hit fourth.
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Ichiro-Figgins-Guti-Bradley-Kotchman should probably be the first five. With Lopez and the DH spot following. But is you believe in the human element of the game and guys not feeling comfortable batting in spots or you believe in not stepping on the toes of legends, then I guess Wak’s lineup makes sense
Rudy4three - April 19, 2010
No you are right. Wak's line-up needs to be fine-tuned. Step on the toes of legends.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
Drayer is talking about Red on the post game.
Kermit. - April 19, 2010
I think the big question is
Will Franklin Gutierrez hit .400 this season?
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Seeing that it's been done before, it's certainly possible.
svart aske - April 19, 2010
I'm not going to say that I like his chances to do it full-season
but if you’re looking for signs of hope, he walked twice today. You really have to get the walks and limit your ABs if you’re going to do it.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 19, 2010
I wasn't quite serious. Barry Bonds couldn't hit .400 even when his OBP was .609.
svart aske - April 19, 2010
You mean "Barry Bonds couldn't hit .400 even when he was on steroids"
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
nonononononononono
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
No, we're talking about limiting ABs by taking walks.
svart aske - April 19, 2010
I know I got the point, was only kidding around.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
In all seriousness though, I don't think .400 is humanly possible this day and age
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Yeah I know, I think it was Bill James who said that if Bonds couldn't hit .400 no one can.
svart aske - April 19, 2010
I did a post about this subject last year when people were asking the same question about Joe Mauer.
Bonds had a couple decent chances, Williams’ 1941 was absolutely insane, but I noticed that Edgar Martinez’ 1995 wasn’t that far off either.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 19, 2010
If we could get Ichiro's 200 hit prowess and somehow combine it with a 150 walk season
Hot diggity damn. And dear god I did not know it was possible to walk 200 times in a season I never realized how good Bonds was on pitch recognition. I knew he was good but 200 walks is freaking ridiculous.
Slurvey - April 19, 2010
A lot of those walks had to do with the fact that when pitchers didn't walk him, he hit a home run.
lmeyer40 - April 19, 2010
It wasn't about pitch recognition. It was about "holy fuck monster coming. MONSTER. MONSTERRRR!!!" followed by intentional walk
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Right. He got a lot of unintentional, intentional walks.
That’s not going to happen to too many batters.
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
I don't think many pitchers had the balls (ha) to pitch to him
It’s the next best thing to suicide. Pitching to a roid monster
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Well on fangraphs,
It says he has 232 BB and 120 IBB are those two numbers separate or that’s how many IBB out of the 232 BB he received because if those two are separate, hot diggity damn.
Slurvey - April 19, 2010
They're separate
Note the 373 AB and 617 PA
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
I want him to start hitting homeruns
All these singles worry me, but his approach at the plate appears to be dramatically improved.
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
Yeah but he's hitting the shit out of the ball
Not too many cheap singles in there
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
But yes, home runs would be welcome
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
It'll be fun to see him hit .400
With no HRs and 140 RBIs.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Oh yes I totally agree
He’s hit a few singles that really should have been doubles, but that fucking Oakland outfield is really good.
OlSalty - April 19, 2010
I like how he's batting .923 on line drives
I sure hope he keeps it up!!
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Sustainable!
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
Some of those well-hit balls will turn into homeruns.
lailaihei - April 19, 2010
You're right
maybe he’ll finish the year hitting 1.000 on line drives
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
If he maintains his ~.500 BABIP he certainly will!
EnglishMariner - April 20, 2010
People are funny.
cwel87 - April 20, 2010
I was at the game...
and holy crap, if the ball is hit anywhere within the area code of Chone Figgins, he’s going to make a ridiculously nice play.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 19, 2010
Between Figgins, Kotchman and Wilson
Our infield defense is seriously upgraded over last year, even taking into account the loss of Beltre.
mebpenguin - April 19, 2010
Lopez is doing a lot better than I imagined at 3B.
JBell523 - April 19, 2010
Lopez at 3b > Lopez at 2b. Figgins is looking Gold Glovish. Wilson is Wilson. Kotchman makes everything extra fine by scooping the misses
Best infield in baseball?
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
JonBBT has a post asking this exact question over at Pro Ball NW.
Link.
harkening - April 19, 2010
I'd guess Tampa Bay's up there due to Longoria and Bartlett
But I’m not sure how Reid Brignac is
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Or Sean Rodriguez
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Pena is the real deal at first.
thehemogoblin - April 19, 2010
My eyes tell me the same.
I wasn’t a big fan of the position switch at first, but I’m pretty much over it after watching Lopez for a couple of weeks.
I still don’t think his arm is good enough to justify all the talk of it being a “strength” at third, but then again, I’ve been watching Adrian Beltre for five years.
Teej - April 19, 2010
Lopez's arm is definitely above average. The problem is aim, but that's what Kotch is there for.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
It makes me have a flashback every once in a while
to when Betancourt would somehow sail one over Sexson’s head. That said, I think Lopez is taking to 3B pretty great.
Edgar for Pres - April 20, 2010
Lopez's arm is definitely stronger than Figgins'.
It may not be a “strength” in the way that Beltre’s armcannon was, but it’s all about maximizing your assets and minimizing your deficiencies.
harkening - April 19, 2010
He's so awkward when he moves more than two steps, he runs straight legged or something.
Kermit. - April 19, 2010
He doesn't have to move more than two steps as often compared to 2B
Hot corner = faster balls, so reaction speed is more a factor as opposed to movement speed. Keeps him awake AND he doesn’t have to run. Win Win.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Thanks.
Kermit. - April 19, 2010
I don't know if another Mariners player has flummoxed me more than Jose Lopez.
I feel like people who love him are delusional, as are people who hate him. I can’t even decide if I want to trade him or hold him hostage as an underrated value.
He’s just an average, boring guy. But he’s very creative in how he chooses to bore me.
Teej - April 19, 2010
Word up
Dewey N - April 19, 2010
Jose Lopez is going to win MVP this year
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
or get DFA'ed
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
Or traded.
Slurvey - April 19, 2010
Or play like a roughly league average player.
joof - April 19, 2010
I'd say this is far and away the most likely scenario
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
No, I'm pretty sure it's the MVP one.
joof - April 20, 2010
I am full on board with this.
I just really want him to either win an MVP or fuck off. I know it’s not fair, because he’s a perfectly valuable player who gets ripped on all the time, but god dammit I want to have an opinion. And I can’t muster one when he keeps getting base hits and playing OK defense and making up for his shitty OBP with a solid SLG.
Teej - April 19, 2010
He has, thus far in the season, remedied that solid SLG.
abender20 - April 20, 2010
Teej is much more eloquent than I can manage, but I'm on board with wanting an opinion.
Or voicing one, whichever. Personally the only surprise thus far has been his defense at 3B. The thing about his awkward movement… I don’t trust my visual process with him at all. His movements are so visually unappealing I’m convinced it clouds my judgment of his abilities. This is one of those situations where it’s best (for me) to go with my initial instinct that he’s a serviceable defensive 3B and check back after the dust settles.
Kermit. - April 20, 2010
+/- thought he blew a bunch of plays early in the season,
but now they have him at +6(!?) dRS overall
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Ugh
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Awesome victory, BUT.....
Wilson and Griffey being aggressive on the base paths = what the fuck?!?
Lopez and Johnson sucked per usual at the plate, but man, FISTER. Yup, he can definitely stay.
Baltimore is garbage and if we don’t sweep this shit, I’ll be very sad.
sanford_and_son - April 19, 2010
So I was in section 108 in RF. That ball Kotchman hit for the HR was SMOKED. He is on a roll right now!
kentroyals5 - April 19, 2010
.
JAH - April 19, 2010
Never thought I'd see a Battletech reference here
JLC - April 20, 2010
So, what's the headline in the Times tomorrow?
TrustBaseball - April 19, 2010
How great would it be if Fister were a homerun hitter. "Fister goes deep"
the other side - April 19, 2010
I chuckled. Now I feel so dirty.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
And it's even funnier if you think about it in a sexual way.
Like if someone were to put an entire fist into a woman’s vagina.
Teej - April 19, 2010
Oh God, this is going to become a new meme, isn't it?
jokes about “fisting” because Fister’s name sounds like that.
seattlebruin - April 19, 2010
I can't believe it took so long.
Teej - April 19, 2010
I think you may have missed something.
the other side - April 19, 2010
Woosh.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
You should challenge them to Fistercuffs.
Slica - April 20, 2010
Luckily, I'm sure we won't run it into the ground
Gihyou - April 20, 2010
That's not even physically possible
Poochie - April 20, 2010
Once he inevitably finishes out a full 9 innings...
Fearless Frog - April 19, 2010
Fister Goes the Distance.
Slurvey - April 19, 2010
That is fucking amazing.
For like 3 seconds, I didn’t completely hate Johnson.
the other side - April 19, 2010
Johnson about any pitcher: His pitches had a lot of movement, I had a hard time keeping up.
Allen Wu - April 19, 2010
Aaaaaand we're back.
Fuck you Rob.
the other side - April 19, 2010
Yes!
Fearless Frog - April 19, 2010
Royal Navy is at sea as new ash cloud advances
Teej - April 19, 2010
Casey Kotchman...
I’m just like, “why didn’t I think of him?”
Slow Country - April 20, 2010
Also this
Wikipedia, don’t judge me.
Slow Country - April 20, 2010
Because he's been a mediocre hitter for years.
3 games ago, his OPS was under .700
Let’s not declare him a superstar slugger just yet.
Rollo Tomasi - April 20, 2010
Exactly, he's had a nice few games but let's wait a few months before jumping to conclusions.
EnglishMariner - April 20, 2010
Jack Z + Kotchman = dirty lightning
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
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