Doug Fister was the big story, of course, as he went two-thirds of the way to spinning a no-hitter, but in the end, all history will show - aside from the final score - is just how quickly Mariner fans forgot all about the fact that the lineup posted a seven-run inning.
These are the 2010 Seattle Mariners. The team that came in with a .655 OPS. The team that came in having scored more than four runs just once in its prior ten games. The team with a .204 BA and two home runs from the 4/5/6 slots in the order. This is the team whose offense was roundly criticized all winter long, and whose offense came in having done little to silence the skeptics.
This team hadn't scored. Then it did score. A lot. But so quickly did the game's focus change that a seven-run inning - a seven-run inning! - was pushed to the back of everyone's mind.
I get why. It's not like we were playing the Yankees. If we were playing the Yankees, or the Red Sox, or somebody good, that seven-run inning would've been big news. But it's different against Baltimore. Against Baltimore - at least given the current shape they're in - you don't worry about scoring as many runs as possible. You just worry about scoring enough. I'm doing a terrible job of explaining this with words so for your benefit I will include a table, showing runs in an inning and the corresponding fan reaction:
| Runs |
vs. Yankees |
vs. Orioles |
| 1 |
Yeah! |
Yeah! |
| 2 |
Yeah! |
Yeah! |
| 3 |
Yeah! |
Yeah! |
| 4 |
Yeah! |
Yeah! |
| 5 |
Yeah! |
Hey cool |
| 6 |
Yeah! |
Great... |
| 7 |
Yeah! |
Come on already |
| 8+ |
Yeah! |
I'm tired |
In a game like this, you don't want to lose. It's not even about winning. You're expected to win. It's about loss avoidance. You're confident that a handful of runs should be enough to do the trick, so you wait around for those runs, and when those runs come, you mentally chalk it up as a victory long before it goes in the books. I know as soon as Milton Bradley doubled, I thought "okay, that'll do it." And when you get to that stage, you're no longer paying close attention to the offense. You're more concerned with just getting to the end, and maybe with any potential history along the way. Like a could-be no-hitter.
So I understand why things went the way they did. Still, though, a seven-run inning? For this team? Doug Fister wasn't going to throw a no-hitter anyway. Shame on you guys. He's Doug Fister, and he was facing a lineup with Dream Killer Markakis. Fister was good, but my take-away fun fact is that the offense scored as many runs in one inning as it did in last week's series against Oakland. That's a significant sign of life from an offense we've already gotten by without.
- A seven-run third inning. Hooray! But a seven-run third inning that would've been a one-run third inning were Baltimore playing a Major League third baseman. With the bases loaded and one down, Jose Lopez hit a routine double play grounder to Ty Wigginton that Wigginton just dropped. Straight-up dropped. There wasn't even any degree of difficulty. It was just a simple grounder that would've meant two outs if Wigginton could so much as pick it up and walk and throw a little bit, but the beefcake with the UZR fumbled the ball and left the door wide open. A single, a double, and a home run later, the Orioles were behind by seven and Brad Bergesen was leaving early for the third start in a row. I know Wigginton isn't Baltimore's regular over there, but you talk about seizing an opportunity.
- Staying in the bottom of the third, the Mariners tried their damndest to run into another two outs. First, Jack Wilson pulled a grounder by a drawn-in Wigginton and rounded first even though left fielder Lou Montanez was quick on the ball. Montanez's throw beat Wilson by a great deal, but Julio Lugo couldn't handle it, and Wilson was safe. Second, Bradley hit his double to deep left-center with Jose Lopez on second and Ken Griffey Jr. on first, but for some reason Junior kept running home even though a good relay meant he didn't have a prayer, and he was thrown out by...not a mile, because a mile would be crazy. By two or three Griffey-widths. It was not a close play. Fortunately for Matt Wieters, Eric Byrnes and Ken Griffey Jr. could not have less in common on the basepaths.
Have kids? Want to teach them a lesson about taking care of your body? Show them footage of The Double, then show them footage of tonight's play at the plate, then show them that article where Griffey says he used to drink 10-12 sodas a day.
- I like Doug Fister, and I don't think it's ever been a secret that I think he can succeed for a while in a big league rotation, but tonight puts me in the awkward position of having to keep people realistic even though he tossed six no-hit innings. This was just Fister. This was just Fister doing what Fister does. He threw a lot of strikes, he allowed a lot of balls in play, and he took advantage of a defense that will help him more often than it will hurt. There wasn't really any mystery. 80% of his pitches were fastballs, and Fister doesn't have a good fastball. Baltimore just couldn't hit them. It happens sometimes. It's weird, but bad teams can have extra bad nights.
I don't want to diminish the performance, and even I couldn't help but get excited by the sixth inning or so. Fister was singlehandedly keeping the game interesting. But you don't look at Doug Fister and think "yeah, someday." He's not Felix Hernandez. If Felix throws a no-hitter, it will confirm our declarations that he can be an unhittable pitcher. If Doug Fister throws a no-hitter, it's a novelty, or a punchline. You like the Padres? Whatever, you got no-hit by Bud Smith. You're disappointed when someone spoils a bid by Felix. When Fister's bid gets spoiled, it's hard to be mad.
- And that makes three home runs, seven extra-base hits, and a .595 slugging percentage over 42 at bats for Casey Kotchman. This is by no means an unprecedented streak. He's gotten into grooves like this before, as recently as last July/August. But I know there was a lot of gnashing of teeth, a lot of voiced concern that the M's were crazy for giving the everyday 1B position to a .740 OPS, so with that in mind, Kotchman couldn't be doing a better job of introducing himself. He's been everything anyone could dream of in the field, and he's also been the second-best hitter on the team.
His third inning home run was on a 1-1 slider that he went down and yanked. That was a bad pitch from Bergesen. But then, a lot of people were unsure if Kotchman could punish bad pitches. Then, in the seventh, Kotchman got a low-inside 94mph fastball from Kam Mickolio and punished it into right for a line drive double. I don't really know what Kotchman's swing looked like before, so I'm not sure if he's always been this way, but he's clearly demonstrate of late that he's capable of hurting strikes down in the zone. I wonder if we'll see pitchers start trying to raise his eye level. Right now, he's locked in something fierce.
- Brandon League threw ten pitches tonight, and all of them were fastballs. Granted, the score was 8-1 at the time, but League's splitter was the most unhittable pitch in baseball last year, and so far through 128 pitches in 2010, 89% of his pitches have been heaters. I'm not concerned, but I'm curious. Worth noting that he was at 81% fastballs last April before mixing things up more often as the season wore on.
- I am not a scout. I have never been a scout, I don't ever want to be a scout, and no team would ever hire me even if I did. With that caveat out of the way, it seems to me that Ichiro's big - only? - weakness in the field is cutting down balls in the gap to his right. We saw it again on Luke Scott's double tonight. How many times have we seen Ichiro misplay the angle? It makes me uncomfortable when Ichiro looks bad, because when Ichiro looks bad, Ichiro gets disappointed with himself, and if Ichiro gets disappointed with himself, what hope do I have?
- Franklin Gutierrez came out of the game after wincing as he rounded the bases in the seventh. He seems to be fine, and the team isn't concerned, but talk about your heart-stoppers. I wouldn't be surprised if Guti got a day off, although I also wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. They'll evaluate his leg and get a better idea tomorrow.
- In the bottom of the fifth, Guti lined a single into center that Adam Jones misplayed and let get behind him. Rarely has one simple play said so much.
I love Johjima!
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
I'm already excited for tomorrow!
Baseball!
Slow Country - April 20, 2010
I was at this game (one of the few!) and therefore would never have forgotten this Fister no-hitter if it had happened
Also, while the 7-run inning was exciting, I think you pointed out one of the reasons why excitement was tempered: it should have ended with Lopez’s grounder that should have been a double play, and one run.
Gihyou - April 20, 2010
I'm not blind
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
Call me crazy, but I don't see it.
doublemazaa - April 20, 2010
I need a better image of Snell
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
This will get awkward if you keep trying to force it
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
I know what I saw
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
I was hoping you would turn this into a rape joke
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
I can see it a bit-- Fister has the more angular face, so it depends on which way you see them, I think
msb - April 20, 2010
Actually I think Fister looks a bit like Washburn
pdb - April 20, 2010
Washburn's face was kinda round
he had those baby cheeks, while Fister’s is gaunt. But I can see what you mean in terms of eyes and nose.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
I'm thinking Guy Pearce.
Wilder. - April 20, 2010
That one's way better
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
Dam they twins?
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
Fister now just needs a "Remember Sammy Jenkis" tattoo
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
Somebody dress Fister up as Felicia.
Quick!
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
No, yes
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
saying they look alike? Nah....
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
Nice try, but it seems only the stubble has a resemblance
And the shadow from the sun.
Sam Regens - April 20, 2010
I said it before, but Snell is so gone when Lee comes back.
Sec 108 - April 20, 2010
Felix, Lee, Bedard, RRS, Vargas/Fister? Or Fister to long relief?
lemonverbena - April 20, 2010
Well for now take Bedard out.
Sec 108 - April 20, 2010
I mean when we get our badass full-bore rotation
lemonverbena - April 20, 2010
Someone else will pitch their way out by then. Not sure who just yet.
Sec 108 - April 20, 2010
Snell
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Ryan Rowland-Smith
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
You shut your whore mouth
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
Felix
ToddK - April 20, 2010
Vargas
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Ryan Rowland-Smith
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
You shut your whore mouth
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
He sucks
Dewey N - April 20, 2010
If he sucks, it's only been since Ian Snell got on the team and got his depression and walks all over him.
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
On the contrary, I would remember a Doug Fister no-hitter forever.
And not because he’s a Mariner, but because it would be one of the most improbable things I have ever seen. This is the same reason that the Bud Smith no-hitter is my favorite no-hitter, because who the fuck is Bud Smith? Literally the only thing he did his entire career was throw that no-hitter, and that would likely be the same thing with Fister if he had pulled it off tonight.
However, until I saw something after Ubaldo’s no-no the other night I had completely forgotten that Kevin Millwood threw a no-hitter a few years ago with the Phillies. Hell, I had forgotten Millwood was even with the Phillies. It’s the perfectly good, consistent pitchers who you forget threw no-hitters, not the crazy flukes.
drblacknwhite - April 20, 2010
I made a small edit because upon further consideration, you're right
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
I'm a fan of that edit
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
As am I.
drblacknwhite - April 20, 2010
I agree on the crazy fluke aspect.
Plus, it was a friend of mine’s first time at SafeCo field. Growing up an Astro’s fan this would have been a very interesting experiance for her. Still she couldn’t stop laughing at Griffey’s slide. When he came out for his next PA she started laughing again.
mark sobba - April 20, 2010
Thankfully no matter what Millwood's luck Felix is like so damn much better
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
Chris Bosio's is quite memorable.
Especially with Omar barehanding the last out.
Wilder. - April 20, 2010
Bosio's no-no defied all odds. Gotta love that shit.
sanford_and_son - April 20, 2010
MARKAAAAKIIIIIIIIISSSS!!!!!
After that hit I actually couldn’t remember if it was him that got the one hit off of Wash. I consider myself a failure for forgetting that fact.
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
Drayer discussed Red in the post game radio show, she interviewed him before the game.
Apparently he and his fiance (Shannon’s description) were booing Markakis loudly at batting practice, and she had to ask why. It about his hit off Wash. They were hanging out in the diamond club, cool. Short little blurb, wish I could better recall the details.
Kermit. - April 20, 2010
Why was Red wearing an O's jersey last night?
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
Adam Jones jersey it looked like.
Sec 108 - April 20, 2010
I'm starting to wonder if Jack Wilson was a pitcher in little league
and his mom told him “if you keep making that face when you throw, it’ll get stuck that way,” and then it did.
Two Rs and Two Ls - April 20, 2010
What's that I see over there?
That looks familiar. Could it be?
Why yes, yes it is.
It appears that the Mariners have a positive run differential.
ThundaPC - April 20, 2010
Suck it Angels.
SethGrandpa - April 20, 2010
We are going to sweep this series.
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
Fister or Vargas is going to win Snell's spot unless he just totally obliterates his next start.
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
And Brad Bergesen blows now, that is all.
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
OlSalty, change your name to OlObvious please.
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
This is what I do now
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
And make terrible puns
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
My posting Izturis Cruz is as Slowey is to Laird
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
Slowey Izturis Laird
I give up, I can’t do this anymore.
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
Atta boy, champ.
CapSea - April 20, 2010
I don't even know what this was supposed to mean now
OlSalty - April 20, 2010
I've been staring at it for about seven hours.
Teej - April 20, 2010
I'm glad I'm not the only one
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
Don't be a dick
Matthew - April 20, 2010
Was just kidding Matthew... now you're being mean........
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
By telling you not to be an ass?
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Jeez I was just kidding. That was mainly targetted at his last comment that Brad Bergesen blows
I knew I shouldn’t have registered with my real name. Should have made a really funny account name. Then people will stop taking my random 3 AM comments seriously. Besides, I like OlSalty, he makes interesting comments in the game threads.
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
He said dick.
An ass is someone who makes a situation unpleasant by spreading nastiness throughout the room. A dick is someone who pokes at you in an annoying manner but may not be bothering more than one person at a time.
Sec 108 - April 20, 2010
If it's Guti's, I don't mind.
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
I'd actually take that as a compliment...
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
Smallest crowd in Safeco history?
Shannon Drayer had this little fact on her blog and it really surprised me.
What’s up with that? It seems like the small crowds should be toward the end of the season during years like 08. Was the weather that poor? It’ll be hard to convince ownership to make a signing at the deadline, or pay for a guy like Lee this offseason, if people don’t show up to the park.
Snuffleupagus - April 20, 2010
Monday, April, bad economy...
Attendance is as god or better than last year, when they got off to a blistering start and reported a profit at the end of the season. The team will do fine.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
as good
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
Sure, but this was still the smallest
That’s what surprised me. There have been other Mondays in April. I guess I’m so excited about this team (even if they don’t make the playoffs I think they will be a lot of fun to watch), that I haven’t realized that the general Mariner fan public isn’t on board.
Glad to hear they had similar numbers last year. I just keep reminding myself of when a season opener in the Kingdome would get less than there currently are at a weekend game.
Snuffleupagus - April 20, 2010
Weekday attendance is probably heavily impacted by season ticket sales
Judging by the 4 for 2 offer, the fact that many companies have decided against having season tickets (like my group at work that had 4 seats last year and have none this year) or have gone under (WaMu), and the still tight economy; season ticket sales this year were bad.
Weekend games probably better reflect the general public’s opinion/excitement about the team and the games last weekend were all well attended.
CMC_Stags - April 20, 2010
In addition to the season tickets and bad economy,
over the years, the team has made changes in the ticket plans, allowing more flexibility. When the team first moved to Safeco, the only options were full season, split season (weekend or weekday), and 15-game plans (with all of the games preselected). Now, there are everything from 6 to 20 game packs (and some let you pick your own games), so it is much easier to avoid the dreaded mid-April Monday night game against a non-marquee opponent when the weather is likely bad and the kids are still in school.
Plus, if the team still allows the swapping of season tickets for upcoming games, I would imagine a good number of people who get stuck with this game at the end of their season ticket group’s selection party swapped these out for games in the summer or against the Cubs, Red Sox, or Yankees.
G_ - April 20, 2010
We had some great attendances over the weekend though.
EnglishMariner - April 20, 2010
The weather was actually really nice last night
It was cloudy but 65F at gametime. I didn’t have a jacket and I was fine for the whole game (of course I am pretty warm-blooded). It started sprinkling and they immediately closed the roof.
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
On the Adam Jones misplay
I’m not sure what you meant by “rarely has one play said so much,” but I took it to mean that Gutierrez caused his competition in the Gold Glove race to commit an error.
I can’t speak objectively, because I haven’t seen Jones play much, but if Guti keeps this pace, what, if anything, will hold him back from winning a Gold Glove and/or International Swimsuit Model contract?
scottykimberly - April 20, 2010
If he keeps this pace he's the MVP
Snuffleupagus - April 20, 2010
It means that Gutierrez is better than Jones and we'd rather have him.
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
Like MJ said
I think it signifies getting over having our fandom molested by Bavasi’s trades.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
I look at Tillman being the biggest loss in that trade now.
Guti has been a godsend.
Wilder. - April 20, 2010
I'd still love to have Adam Jones - LF
CMC_Stags - April 20, 2010
That would take away a lot of frustration. Having a real LF would force Bradley into DH and Sweeney off the team.
lailaihei - April 20, 2010
Sweeney and Griffey to the DL you say?
CMC_Stags - April 20, 2010
Yes please.
ToddK - April 20, 2010
We should put some money together and hire someone to help us with this problem.
the other side - April 20, 2010
Tonya Harding could probably arrange something...
ToddK - April 20, 2010
I'd love to have Choo
killer_ewok18 - April 20, 2010
Aw, that's sweet of you. <3
CapSea - April 20, 2010
The play was heavy on symbolism.
Adam Jones was supposed to be a fixture in the Mariners outfield. However, with Bill Bavasi being desperate enough to win the division he wound up shipping Adam Jones along with a bunch of other useful parts in a trade for Erik Bedard. Not only did Bedard not fulfill lofty expectations but Andy MacPhail and the Orioles ended up enjoying the fruits of our labor while we as fans sat in horror as our organization was collapsing in front of our very eyes.
Adam Jones as an Oriole was initially thought to bring eternal anguish to the M’s fan base for what could have been. Instead, we ended up finding a superior outfielder on top of an organization that has breathed new life into this franchise.
Rarely has one play said so much.
ThundaPC - April 20, 2010
Or... GUTI > JONES!!! IN YOUR FACE MLB!!!
Allen Wu - April 20, 2010
How would the league have anything "in their face"?
The trade was a legitimate (though stupid on Bavasi’s part) deal between 2 teams.
ToddK - April 20, 2010
Interesting note from Larue, to open his game story
“White-haired manager Gene Mauch had a theory about most everything in baseball, including the month of April – when he’d have loved to have Doug Fister. Mauch believed in taking a junkball pitcher north from spring training and putting him in his rotation for the first month of the season, believing that hitters who could time a fastball in April still couldn’t get it right against the soft stuff.”
msb - April 20, 2010
I had always thought a "junkballer" referred to pitchers who throw a little bit of everything...
A lot of offspeed and breaking pitches though. Does Fister qualify? He’s just tossing that mediocre speedball up there around 80% of the time and letting the defensive scrum gobble it up.
sigalert - April 20, 2010
So he's lobbing a bunch of junk up there but he knows where it's going
Doug Fister is the living, breathing, 6’8" definition of a junkballer
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Point taken.
sigalert - April 20, 2010
I think of Jamie Moyer or, more recently, Dallas Braden as more of a junkballer.
I have a hard time calling someone who throws 80% fastballs a junkballer, but that’s just semantics so eh
Zwakamatsu - April 20, 2010
Yeah but all Fister's been throwing is his fastball
so I don’t get it.
Matthew - April 20, 2010
Yeah
I’m afraid of when he faces a better lineup. Hopefully he starts throwing his change more like he did last year.
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
It seems like what's being overlooked about Fister is his excellent control.
ignacio - April 20, 2010
Well
abender20 - April 20, 2010
It's hard to overlook anything about Fister
since there’s just not very much to see in the first place.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
Doug Fister is white
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
We have feelings too you know
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
I'm just making sure you're not overlooking any details
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Maybe he's in a blizzard?
Faux - April 20, 2010
I'm not convinced his location is actually that good
He can just throw strikes more often than not, and is hittable enough to avoid many deep counts.
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
Yeah if you know Fister is gonna throw a strike
and you know its going to be a hittable pitch, that seems like a recipe for disaster to me.
Fister isn’t bad but he sure isn’t a good pitcher. He’ll have games like this but he’s gonna have games where he gets clobbered. Show me a pitcher that has Fister’s skillset that is anything more than an innings eater. Most pitchers need an outpitch, deception or more velocity to become a “good” pitcher. Fister doesn’t have any of this. He has a fastball that he has decent command of. He throws a few curvy pitches but they aren’t really anything useful and he has a decent change up which is good enough so he can survive against RHB. Basically, find me a SP that has a 88 mph fastball that he throws 65% of the time. He doesn’t even really get that much movement on it.
I like Fister but like Jeff said, he lives and dies by balls in play and sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don’t. When he’s on and has near perfect control/command of his fastball and changeup he can give us some innings and a chance against most lineups out there. If he doesn’t though, its gonna get ugly real fast because he doesn’t have enough to fall back on.
Edgar for Pres - April 20, 2010
On TV...
…Blowers mentioned that he thought Fister’s 90mph was probably getting on the hitters a bit faster than other pitchers’ 90mph would, due to his large frame. I’m not sure I buy it. I’ve always thought his stride looked a little short, which would negate some of the advantage his size gives him. Then again, it may not be that short – maybe it’s just awkward, like everything else Mr. Fister does. Food for thought, anyway.
chaney - April 20, 2010
I think it's Blowers just spewing some shit.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
Guess who the pitcher for the Orioles was last year for Washburn's no hitter bid?
Yep, Bergesen.
seattle_since_81 - April 20, 2010
At least we didn't get raped by Brad Bergesen like we normally do
seattlebruin - April 20, 2010
Gotta be thankful for the little things
“thank you, Jesus, for not letting Brad Bergesen rape me last night. That was nice.”
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
No religion!
ToddK - April 20, 2010
Lopez is a mess
Get him out of the middle of the order please.
phil333 - April 20, 2010
Re: League
Brandon looks to me like he’s having trouble locating his heater. It seems like it’s sailing high most of the time. He may be reluctant to bust out the bendy pitch until he’s confident he can throw strikes.
chaney - April 20, 2010
I don't know if that's really the case
League reminds me a lot of Putz, except he’s got a sinking fastball and is probably less stupid. In his second season as closer, Putz didn’t break out his killer split for a long while. We were all worried that he’d lost his feel for it or whatever, but it came back alright. His explanation later on was he didn’t want to let hitters see it until he absolutely had to, and that the fact that everyone knew it could be coming was effective in its own way.
I like to think League is doing the same here. No need to bust out the white phosphorus if standard issue ammo is getting the job done. Not quite sure what inspired that particular metaphor.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
Haven't fastball number been up for all starters a bit?
If so, I’m curious if that’s typical for this time of the year. Or something new from the team, early season arm strength strategy, or maybe just a fluke.
Kermit. - April 20, 2010
All of our starters, implied but I'm feeling the need to be crystal clear lately.
Kermit. - April 20, 2010
For some reason League reminds me of Jeff Nelson (minus the creepy stache)
I remember everything Nelson threw having a ton of break, but it’s been a long time and my memory could be playing tricks on me.
BrianL - April 20, 2010
But Nelly's out pitch was his slider
he couldn’t do a whole lot with lefties, while League’s bee talked about as pitching effectively to both. But my memory of Nelson isn’t crystal.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
Say hello to the minors for me, Bergesen!
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
I hear Norfolk is wonderful this time of year
G_ - April 20, 2010
Boy, not having Uehara start was a great idea.
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
Morons
Jeff Sullivan - April 20, 2010
Well, I guess they don't really need a fifth starter right now but I assume Uehara would've done better,
But it’s also only 3 games so who knows.
Mariner John - April 20, 2010
Any correlation between Rob catching and the massive amount of fastballs
that the team’s pitchers are throwing?
Coach Owens - April 20, 2010
I think people have made the observation that signals are coming from the dugout.
killer_ewok18 - April 20, 2010
But it may be because Rob Johnson has a slightly higher chance of catching fastballs.
killer_ewok18 - April 20, 2010
That groundball by Lopez wasn't quite the easiest groundball to field
It should have definitely been fielded but it did have a little zip on it and looked like it might have taken a little funny hop.
Edgar for Pres - April 20, 2010
A routine ground ball can still have a little zip and a less-than-perfect hop.
He should have been able to get one out, if not 2.
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
Does it seem like
Gutierrez is hitting a ton of hard groundballs between the thirdbaseman and shortstop. I’m gonna take all the hits I can from this but eventually the trajectory of these hits are going to start heading toward a defender and his BABIP should come down. I’m happy to see him hitting these hard which is why they are getting through but I wouldn’t count on this continuing.
Edgar for Pres - April 20, 2010
Yeah a .400+ babip on grounders is not something to count on
Bearskin Rugburn - April 20, 2010
Yes
He has hit a remarkable number of his singles right there.
appleshampoo - April 20, 2010
Yeah but it's not like he's not trying to pull it through the left side.
So I don’t think it’s all luck. Some guys will have high career BABIP numbers on ground balls because they are aiming for holes. I’m not saying he’s going to regress, but If this is the type of hitter he is going to be, there’s no reason to think those BABIP numbers stay higher than average. Griffey’s singles through the hole are more flukey and likely to regress significantly.
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
Totally messed that up.
I’m saying he WILL regress, but maybe not as much as we normally would expect. We can watch all Ichiro’s unlikely hits and say he’s due for regression, but year after year he doesn’t because he has some freakish talent for finding holes. It’s not an accident for every hitter.
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
For sure.
But I think what we should take away from his hitting is that he hits everything hard. Those hits are more line drive groundballs than your ordinary balls hit into the ground (e.g. Griffey’s singles finding the holes).
Wilder. - April 20, 2010
I also was thinking about Griffey and his groundballs to the right side
I think everybody is familiar with it but Griffey seems to always hit a groundball to the left of the 2B for an out. It looks like teams are starting to put a mild shift on to further destroy any hope of Griffey getting a hit. When there is a guy on 1B teams seem to get rid of the shift and play him more straight up which should allow more of these groundballs to get through. I was looking at Bref a little and it looks like he has a better BABIP with runners on 1B but its pretty hard to draw much of a conclusion from this. I am not suggesting we want Griffey hitting in the middle of the order but it might help him cut down on his outs and bump up his BABIP if he had a runner on 1B when he was hitting.
(Would probably also increase double plays since he is hitting lots of groundballs and is really slow)
Edgar for Pres - April 20, 2010
I'm really glad Jeff brought up the fact that Lopez would have buttfucked us out of that inning had it not been for the crappy Bmore defense.
I mean, I bet we would have won anyways, but it might not have been so decisive. I really hope Loafie gets his shit together soon.
sanford_and_son - April 20, 2010
Haha love the 89 Donruss Griffey Rookie icon.
It’s time to move Lopez to the six hole. I like this lineup:
Ichiro, Figgins, Guti, Bradley, Kotchman, Lopez, DH, Wilson, Catcher
I know putting Wilson in the 8-hole is unusual, but our catchers have looked even worse than him somehow. Might even boost Jack’s confidence a bit coming off a 3-hit night.
As for the DH in the seven hole, well that sucks, because the average DH has no business outside the middle of the order. But you have to work with the personnel you have and put out the best lineup. I hope Saunders discovers himself mid-season so we can put him in left and DH Bradley. I won’t hold my breath though.
If Kotchman keeps playing like this, I don’t expect the team to sell the farm for a first basemen.
All we really need is an everyday left fielder, and Bradley hitting well. Or maybe we can find a DH and leave MB in left? I just think having your DH bat 7th is pathetic, but it’s not as pathetic as having Griffey be your DH. He’s a decent pinch hitter, so I’m not saying he needs to be cut or go on DL .
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
With his injury history
Bradley isn’t the guy we want in left every day. He’s better off as the DH with an occasional start in left.
ToddK - April 20, 2010
The offense will get better as the season wears on. Ichiro is sure to hit about 345 and
Griffey will go on a homerun tear soon. I believe the Mariners will get better as the season progresses.
wolfmanshowlforever - April 20, 2010
Your signature is way way way too long.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - April 20, 2010
We like them long on mma site's. Don't worry, i don't post that often on this blog.
I am a fan of the Seattle Mariners and post sporadically.
wolfmanshowlforever - April 20, 2010
Your optimism about Griffey is sweet by the way
When I think about the words “griffey” and “tear” in the same sentence, I think “hamstring” or “open a bag of Cheetos”.
pdb - April 20, 2010
Me too.
Makes me feel bad.
Fearless Frog - April 20, 2010
First time I have ever read your signature.
And put it together with your username. Now I want to go unpack my SNES…
harkening - April 20, 2010
You must watch Mariner games as often as you post to think Griffey is due for any kind of "tear" not involving the DL.
I know he’s a streaky player, but a streak for Griffey at this point is an.875 OPS over 10 games, with a couple homers. I hope he does start hitting homers though, so he can be productive without actually having to run the base paths.
refuse2lose2010 - April 20, 2010
What will look like an arrogantly slow home run trot
will in reality be as fast as he can run.
pdb - April 20, 2010
Perhaps once that hot tub time machine starts doing its damn job
Until then, I wouldn’t count on much of anything from Junior.
cwel87 - April 20, 2010
He must of thought he hopped in it yesterday
when he tried to get home from first on a double.
seattle_since_81 - April 20, 2010
Oh dear that was painful to watch
As soon as he rounded third my first thought was “oh dude, that’s a bad idea”. I couldn’t even get actively upset about it, it was just kinda sad.
pdb - April 20, 2010
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