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9-10, Game Thoughts

The temptation, of course, will be to freak out. To throw up your hands and say "well that's it." To get mad, and to play off that fury by ripping into some old and new targets. To rip into Mike Sweeney. To rip into Ken Griffey Jr. To rip into Wak. To rip into this team for allowing itself to get swept by an opponent that came in 5-11, to get swept in a series in which we led every game.

That's understandable. Everybody is allowed his emotions, and no one likes losing. To be sure, this was as aggravating a series as we've seen in a while.

But for me, it's hard to get too worked up. For one thing, I just watched my hockey team get eliminated from the playoffs in overtime yesterday, a calamity which has left me emotionally bare. But for another, settle down. We lost three games by a combined three runs. We lost them to a team that, truthfully, isn't bad. Those three games were started by Doug Fister, Jason Vargas, and Ryan Rowland-Smith. Jack Wilson couldn't play. Milton Bradley couldn't play. We didn't have a bench. We were on the road.

You never expect to get swept, and you never prepare for it, but given this weekend's conditions, it's not much of a surprise that we saw what we did. Chicago played better, and Chicago got the wins. It happens. It'll happen again. React with emotion. React, because you care. Just react with consideration and react with perspective, because, ultimately, we didn't learn anything we didn't already know. This team is what it is, and if you can't handle this kind of weekend, then you chose the wrong team to root for.

  • Despite everything that happened, I maintain that, once again, Wak chose the wrong reliever when he went to Sean White in the seventh. With two outs and the go-ahead run in scoring position, Wak brought in White, who got Gordon Beckham to line out to left. Then Brandon League took over a fresh slate in the eighth. League, of course, would surrender the game-winning homer, which makes me look more than a little weird, here, but that doesn't change the fact that League is the superior reliever. It's worth noting that Paul Konerko's homer barely left a hitter-friendly yard, and that it came on a fastball a little off the plate inside. Both he and White allowed hard-hit fly balls on inside heat.

    Still, there are two things to remember:

    1) League's splitter remains more or less missing, as he continues to throw it without any kind of consistency. Brandon League without a lot of his split isn't the Brandon League we traded for.

    2) While League is better than White, the difference between the two isn't so monumental as to justify a freakout. I think we'd all prefer the former over the latter in that seventh inning situation, but the odds that an average reliever escapes that situation unharmed are something like 80%. White was an inferior bet, but he wasn't a bad one. Sean White isn't a bad reliever. He's a mediocre reliever, and he had the platoon advantage. Don't make too much of a poor but small decision.

    This is something we're going to have to live with. Wak has a frequently-expressed belief system in Sean White, and he has it because Sean White's allowed 24 runs in 71.1 innings since Wak too over the team. We know Sean White isn't very good. We know this, because he doesn't strike anybody out or generate as many groundballs as people like to say he does. But until he starts struggling, Wak's going to keep running him out there in big situations. And you know what? That's okay, because until White starts struggling, we'll have little reason to complain.

    If White keeps getting thrown to the dogs even after his numbers catch up with him (if they do), then that'll be a real problem. As is, it's hard to argue that it's hurting us.

  • A Jason Vargas breakdown today:

    Fastballs: 63
    Cutters: 8
    Changeups: 24

    Noticeably absent? Any breaking balls. Vargas seems to have embraced his fastball/changeup identity and moved towards the extreme, using a third pitch only often enough to keep hitters guessing.

    And it's hard to say he's wrong, because look at the results. 25 innings in four starts, with 19 strikeouts and six walks. He wasn't necessarily on top of his game this afternoon, but his command seemingly got better as the game wore on, and he once against missed a good number of bats. With his fourth straight solid start, Jason Vargas has all but locked himself into the rotation, at least for the time being, which is bad news for Ian Snell. Is it too early to say definitively that Snell's a lost cause? No, it isn't, but what's the alternative? You can't move Felix. You can't move Vargas or Fister, given what they've done. And while RRS has struggled, he at least has a recent track record of success. Short of running a six-man rotation, Snell's just got nowhere else to go. He's probably going to the bullpen, because Doug Fister and Jason Vargas have pitched like legitimate Major League starters.

    Jason Vargas has a swinging strike rate of 9.5% so far, up from 7.7% as a starter a year ago. He's one-tenth of a percentage point behind CC Sabathia.

  • Matt Tuiasosopo: Professional Shortstop threw three balls at Casey Kotchman's feet today. None of them were errors, and none of them bounced, but it was weird to see that from a guy who's played so much third base. It'd be one thing if he weren't accustomed to making the long throw, but these were routine, and he short-armed the ball like Emiliano Fruto.

    Tui doesn't have a good first step, he doesn't have good range, he doesn't have good hands, and he doesn't have an accurate arm. A pessimist would say he pretty much doesn't possess any of the skills you need to play the infield. An optimist would say he's only four adjustments from fitting right in.

  • With two out and none on in the top of the ninth inning, Casey Kotchman lined a Bobby Jenks fastball into the left-center gap that Juan Pierre cut off in front of the track. It looked like a standard single, but Kotchman kept motoring around first without hesitation and slid safely into second.

    It was surprising at the time, and the initial response from a lot of people was that Kotchman took another stupid risk on the basepaths, but I actually thought it was one of the smarter gambles we've seen so far through three weeks. The difference between Kotchman being on first and Kotchman being on second there is huge. Juan Pierre, whether you trust UZR or the fans, unquestionably has one of the worst arms in baseball. Pierre didn't cut the ball off in good throwing position. And, lastly, Pierre wouldn't have expected a slow runner like Kotchman to push it.

    It was the right situation to be aggressive. Looking at the risk/reward here is the same as calculating the risk/reward of a stolen base attempt with two down and a man on first. If Kotchman goes, he's either safe, or the game's over. The break even rate, by my calculations, was about 74%. In other words, Kotchman had to be at least 74% sure he'd make it to justify the attempted advance. Could he have been that certain? I think so, yeah. Pierre could've come up with the best throw of his life, but the probability was slim. Kotchman (or one of the base coaches) recognized this, and for once Casey Kotchman was able to help this team with his legs.

  • Of course, he didn't score, because after Eric Byrnes drew a walk, Ken Griffey Jr. struck out. I don't like Griffey hitting any more than you do, but better him than Adam Moore in that situation, and even though Griffey whiffed, pinch-hitting is hard, and Bobby Jenks is good. Yell all you want, but most players would've failed to drive Kotchman home.

  • Mike Sweeney saw 12 pitches today and swung at 10 of them, including each of the last nine. His swing rate on the year is up to 61.9%, behind only Vladimir Guerrero (64.9%) and Delmon Young in the Major Leagues.

    That, of course, is an inflated figure, and well above Sweeney's usual mark in the low- to mid-50's, but still, the league average is about 46%. Mike Sweeney is something of a free swinger. And he's something of a free swinger despite having zero speed and limited power.

    It's weird. Where most hitters tend to get more selective at the plate as they age, Sweeney's only gotten more aggressive. And given that his swing is jerky and violent, one wonders whether this is the wisest approach for a man who seems to be in a constant struggle with his core and his back. Not that an injury would be the worst thing in the world.

  • Casey Kotchman hit two balls in the air today. They went for a double and a triple.

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But Mike Sweeney does yoga now, so his back is in the best shape of it's life....
They were just saving their energy for the epic Battle for Grass Creek.
Oh well, Cliff Lee time!
And he looked great down in Tacoma today.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought Kotchman running Pierre was good baserunning.
Same. Also of note on that play.

Since the ball was hit into the gap, Pierre would be throwing almost in a direct line of Casey’s view as he runs to 2nd. The throw was way off and Kotchman could see that immediately out of Pierre’s hand. He just had to win the race after the middle infielder caught the errant throw.

Now I’m not sure if the throw had been directly on line that Kotchman would have stopped and turned around, but just my thoughts on the play.

At first I was like...

Damn you Kotchman why take such a risk with 2 outs in the 9th! But then the commentators reminded me that it was Pierre in the field.

It was one of those moments for me when I added another item to the list of reasons I am not a major league player or manager. My chances of ever becoming either is iffy at best.

The replay of that was a bit of true baseball comedy.

You had Kotchman running like the basepaths were made of wet clay, and then li’l Juan Pierre shot-putting the ball in from the OF.

MLB players make the game look so incredibly easy that when they stoop down to your level, you notice, and you appreciate.

Once I realized that it was Pierre throwing I was much happier with that decision.
You are right, the team is what it is, nothing new learned this weekend.

The question is, when will Z see that we have to have a better bench? Our lovable mascots are not cutting it.

If Vargas is only throwing fastballs and changeups then what do his pitches look like if you break them down by splits?

He has to be throwing more changeups to opposite handed hitters so same handed hitters are going to see his fastball over and over again. Its not the worst fastball but is this really a good strategy?

Well, he doesn't face many lefties anyway

And in the early going he’s been just fine against them.

Chicago's lineup is predominantly right handed,

So that probably had something to do with him not throwing any breaking stuff. My guess is he hasn’t completely forsaken his curveball, but we’ll have to wait and see in his next start.

You make a good point about Sean White

I know he isn’t as good as League, but yelling every time he gives up an earned run (or Aaardsma for that matter) about how much better League is kind of ridiculous.

So Guit and Cotch are our only hitters at the moment...

Sad.

What about Jack Wilson and Milton Brad...

Oh…crap.

I would make fun of you for calling Jack Wilson one of our hitters, but. . .

He was. :(

I've never
* I've never missed that rat face as much as I do now.
Ryan Rowland-Smith has been soooo bad so far this year

Is there any noticeable difference in his pitches from last year? Are his mechanics the same? I’m 110% in favor of sending him down to Tacoma to work his shit out (does he have options?) because I cannot stand watching him pitch right now

Yet you love Ian Snell.
As bad as Snell has been, RRS has been so much worse

Plus Snell is endearing and has potential for awesome while RRS has potential for above average. It’s rational!

As far as watching this year, though, Snell has been painful to watch. That's all I was getting at.
But RRS has had way more recent success than Snell. And how much more potential does Snell have??
This much more
I'm holding my hands pretty far apart right now
I was thinking since you didn't set limits, it was limitless.
I thought you were gesturing towards your penis
Aw honey you know I don't have one of those
Snell is giving me Brandon Morrow frustrations.

Pitcher who could be really good but just isn’t putting it together.

Morrow got his second consecutive quality start today

Just saying…

And also walked 6 people in 6 innings.

QS is such a stupid start. The parameters are a minimum of six innings and a maximum of three earned runs. Brandon Morrow can’t walk the world and still succeed in the long term.

The only reason he didn't get blown apart was that Jose Molina threw out 4 baserunners.
Give him some credit

He struck out 8, only gave up 3 hits, against one of the best hitting teams. Molina saved a run or two, sure but let’s give some credit. I’m not president of the Brandon Morrow fan club by any means, but I watched his start today and I thought he pitched well.

Walking a batter per inning is not 'pitching well'
I don't see anything in his repertoire

Everything is the same, except that opponents are making more contact on balls out of the zone. I could be missing something, but I think this is just a bad stretch in the statistics.

How do you watch games from last year on mlb.tv?
Use the calendar feature

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?ymd=20090405

I'm not seeing anything different in his delivery

Aw man

That's good news.
Not for Ian Snell it ain't
Ian Snell needs to worry about Ian Snell, not Rowland-Smith.

There’s still another guy to go when Bedard comes back.

I contend that when Ian Snell worries about Ian Snell things go wrong.
It seems like he can't throw his curve for close to strikes at all this year

And is correspondingly missing fewer bats. Might explain why he’s throwing more changeups and less curves, because he doesn’t have a good feel for it.

He's definitely better than he's shown so far.

But over 31 career starts, he has a 4.46 K/9 and 3.01 BB/9, and he’s a flyball pitcher. That’s basically a poor man’s Jarrod Washburn. I’m not really convinced that RRS is that much better than a replacement starter.

Not that Ian Snell deserves to be in the rotation any more…

Jarrod Washburn was about an average starter for most of his career.

That’s pretty valuable, assuming you aren’t paying 12 million dollars a year for it.

So we're about to get Lee back, Bedard will be following

Here’s a semi-obvious question to ponder. The rotation has looked pretty solid so far. We’ve been pleasantly surprised by guys like Fister and Vargas, and Felix will be Felix. We’ve got Cliff Lee coming back very soon and the rumor is he can pitch. We’ve got Erik Bedard coming along at some point in the not too distant future – he’s a bit more of a question mark but he at least has the potential to come back and pitch like his old self.

Is it time to trade a starter for some bullpen help?

It seems to me that the value of some of the aforementioned back-end rotation guys is probably high right now given their good starts to the year. As Jeff mentions in this post, the rotation is already getting crowded and it’s only going to get worse. It’s a nice problem to have I guess, why not use it as an opportunity to get a reliable setup guy or even closer?

The big reason this series was so painful to watch was that for three days in a row we saw the pen ruin a good start. Sure it’s a small sample and the guys we have aren’t actually that bad, but why do I always seem to get nervous as soon as Wak takes the ball away for the starter?

I don't think that would be a good idea

Even with Lee and Bedard (who is himself a question mark) coming back this team is very weak in starter depth unless RRS and Snell start showing something they haven’t been so far.

A couple things

A) None of the starters we could trade will bring us back any bullpen arm of value

B) We need rotation depth. RRS, Lee and Bedard have all been injured recently, Vargas hasn’t thrown a full season since his injury and it was an issue last year, Felix has been taking on a lot of innings, and Snell isn’t very good at the moment. In addition, Fister and Vargas aren’t as good as they’ve looked this season (though both may have taken legitimate steps forward).

C) Our pen hasn’t been as bad as it’s looked the last few days. Granted, we could certainly use another bullpen arm, but we’ve got some good relievers, and it’s too early to kick anyone out, as the entire pen is full of at least semi-useful arms (except Colome).

I don't really think we need any bullpen help

We have Aardsama, Lowe, League and Kelley who are all very solid (White isn’t the worst either). These guys should be able to handle about 90% of the important innings any bullpen deals with.

A couple things on a couple things

A) Do you think? I’m not saying I agree or disagree with your point, but it seems to me that IF Vargas/Fister have trade value, that value is higher now than it was at the start of the season and higher than it is likely to be later on once they start to regress.

B) Agreed, you can never have too much pitching depth, according to the philosophies of all 30 MLB teams. Right now we have it because everybody is either healthy or about to get healthy. Vargas is a risk there so again, trade him while he’s looking good! Fister – not much of a track record so who knows – maybe he’s somebody elses gamble? And if Felix goes down, we’re in big trouble no matter how you shake it.

C) Yep that’s true. They aren’t as bad as they’ve been in the White Sox series. Everybody goes through tough times, and unfortunately for us the bulk of the pen seemed to all suck at the same time. They will get better!

4 starts from each is too small of a sample to affect their value much.
Well considering Lee and Bedard are on 1 year deals, trading away our young starters doesn't seem smart.

And remember, those bullpen HRs were in Cominsky. We don’t have to play their all the time.

I bet if you went out and looked at what was available in the reliever department,

you (Mariners) might be just as well off throwing the extra rotation guy in the pen. I think there are many teams that are lacking or having problems with bullpen staff right now.

One word: Regression

Sure Vargas and Fister are pitching well now, but I don’t want to have to count on them to pitch like this the whole season. They will eventually have bad games. They don’t have a real solid track record to go off of. I would still be more willing to stick with RRS than Vargas or Fister. Snell is a different story, he has yet to go 7 innings in any start since joining us and hasn’t shown that he can have consistently solid starts.

What a crazy weekend of games.

I couldn’t even watch today’s game after almost going insane after the last two nights. And then it happens again. Fuck! So, I decided to take advatage of the sunshine and go for a long ass hike today instead. Anyway, I was just thinking about how losing close games feel so much worse than losing a game when we get blown out . I was wondering how other people felt. Would you rather lose a hard fought battle by only one run late in the game? Or would you rather lose 10-1 and know we are done by the 3rd inning?

Just curious what other thought.

I agree that these losses were worse than other losses.

It eats away at your hope when you get close to winning and then lose. I found myself resigned to losing today, because my brain sees a one-run lead and thinks, “This is where your team loses.” It’s not mathematically sound in the slightest, but I think of a blowout as “using up” our bad stuff. So yes, a close game loss hurts more than a blowout to me.

Losing close games feels worse but are better than blow-out losses.

Because in close games, things could go either way and there are likely good things to pick out of those games, whereas in blow-out losses it is just the team getting its butt kicked and wow that home series with Cleveland in July last year sucked…

Exactly, so trade Vargas/Fister before they regress

Or so the logic of my argument goes.

Oops, meant to reply to previous thread here
Why wouldn't you just make them relievers then?

And what makes you think their trade value is equal to the value they bring to the team? And what would you do if one of our starters got injured? And what makes you think that any good reliever they might bring in won’t go JJ Putz circa 2009?

In a hypothetical situation, here's our rotation

1. Felix.
1.5 Lee
3. Bedard
4. RRS
5. Vargas/Fister/Snell (ie. whoever doesn’t get traded)

The way I see it there’s still some surplus at the back of the rotation, even minus one arm. Making the odd man/men out relievers is probably what will end up happening, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time.

I don’t know if their trade value is equal to what they bring to the team. That’s the job of Zduriencik and co to determine before pulling the trigger. Acquiring relievers is always risky business because they are so volatile – after all if they were that good consistently they would either be starters or Mariano Rivera. I definitely see your point, this is just some food for thought.

I still see no reason to trade someone that costs nothing, brings value, and can easily be moved to the bullpen.

Why trade a valuable starter for a reliever when you can just make them a reliever for free?

Plus you would want to wait until you were sure Lee and Bedard were both healthy
Sean White is replacement level or a little worse, I think that justifies calling him "bad."

If we can’t call Sean White bad, that means we can’t call Jeremy Reed bad and we know that’s not true.

But a good reliever gets you, what, 1 WAR?

Even if Sean White is replacement level, the difference between him and League in any given outing (usually 1 inning) is pretty minimal, I think.

Batting Griffey/Sweeney 5th is minimal on a game-to-game basis, too, but over the course of the season it's substantial.
CHONE has him projected at a .317 wOBA

That’s better than Griffey and Sweeney, but I think general consensus is that the best option would be for Bradley to DH and then have Langerhans in left.

Reply fail

This is about Mike Carp

I hate the White Sox so much

Just a random question here. We all know Milton Bradley SHOULD be our DH, but what is the consensus around here on Mike Carp taking up the role?

How does he have four HRs already?

I saw that stat at the Rainiers game today.

It's the PCL. Not that hard.

(That is, three of them came in Salt Lake).

Last year at this time, I think he’d hit five.

Dude the PCL has freaking Cy Young award winners pitching in it this year!
Mike Wilson had four home runs this week.

But you don’t see me wanting to call him up.

I don't care who is out DH as long as they are hitting.

If it’s Mike Carp, then so be it.

We need a ginger on our team any way.
The problem is

he can only play in night games.

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