11-11, Game Thoughts
by Jeff Sullivan on Apr 28, 2010 4:41 PM PDT
in Seattle Mariners Game Recaps
The Mariners came one better-placed Jose Lopez line drive away from probably sweeping the Royals. The Mariners also came a Robinson Tejeda mishap and a Willie Bloomquist at bat away from probably getting swept by the Royals. Life is what you make of it.
- What do you do when your fastball isn't very good and you have a feel for all your offspeed stuff? You throw a lot of your offspeed stuff. Of Ryan Rowland-Smith's 91 pitches today, only 40 were fastballs, as he was mixing in everything he has short of that cutter he was supposedly working on. And, for the most part, it worked. The final line isn't real sexy, but RRS came mighty close to limiting the Royals to a single run.
He was done in in large part by a pair of 0-2 counts in the bottom of the sixth. Ahead 0-2 on Billy Butler with one on and one out, RRS tried to induce a miss or a jam shot, but his fastball came too far up and in and gave Butler an ugly bruise to go with his ugly face. Later, with the bases loaded and two out, RRS got ahead 0-2 on Jason Kendall, but Kendall took an outside changeup into shallow right for a soft looper that dropped between Ichiro and Chone Figgins. Were it not for a tricky sun (damn you sun!), that ball's caught and the inning is over. Instead, two runs came around to score and two more would score in the next at bat.
What was nice to see from RRS were the nine whiffs (all on offspeed pitches) and the 17 first-pitch strikes. His stuff clearly isn't good enough to keep working from behind, so despite his final ball count, he did a good job of attacking Royal hitters early. Want to see an amazing split?
First Pitch: 12/25 fastballs (48%)
After 1-0: 17/25 fastballs (68%)
After 0-1: 11/41 fastballs (27%)
There's a guy who didn't want to throw many fastballs when he didn't have to. RRS is aware of his strengths and weaknesses, and that was apparent today. This was his best start of the season, and while it wasn't anything great, it is something to build off.
- Ichiro's average is up to .330, and it feels like he hasn't even woken up for the season yet. I had to look this up just now. 15 minutes ago, had someone knocked on the door and asked me how I thought Ichiro was doing, I would've said "what?", and then he would've said "how do you think Ichiro is doing?", and I would've said "no I heard you," and then he would've said "so answer the question," and I would've said "well it's just that this is a peculiar circumstance," and then he would've said "it's really quite a simple question," and I would've said "but you get why this is weird, right? I mean I don't even know who you are," and then he would've said "look I'm just looking for a one-word answer," and I would've said "and then you'll leave?", and then he would've said "and then I'll leave," and I would've said "slumping."
- Laying to rest any fears that he might be entering a slump, Casey Kotchman picked up a well-hit single, a well-hit double, and a walk this afternoon. He's up to .264/.333/.514 with a number of scoops and diving stops at first base. He isn't getting himself out, and his only real glaring mistakes so far have been on the basepaths. Big for him to show that he can still do damage when he's hitting the ball close to the ground. I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that Kotchman isn't set to be a free agent until after next year.
- With the score 6-5 Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, a man in the first row behind home plate was reading a newspaper.
- With a man on and two down in the bottom of the eighth, Jason Kendall slapped a grounder into the hole between short and third base. Jack Wilson ranged over to his right, backhanded the ball, leapt, and threw across his body to get Kendall at first on the fly. You know that classic Derek Jeter play? This was that, with range. It's incredible to me how much agility and arm strength Wilson packs into a body that looks like it was built by sewing together various bits and limbs from a group of dead seven year olds.
- The longest home run of Chone Figgins' career went 397 feet. It's fair to say that his triple off a Gil Meche slider was the hardest he can hit a baseball. Figgins hit a couple balls with authority today, which is nice, because it took him three and a half weeks to prove that he can hit a ball with authority.
- Ex-Mariners today: 1-15 at the plate, five runs in six innings on the mound
Non-ex-Mariners today: 6-17 at the plate, one run in three innings on the mound
I particularly enjoyed the final at bat of the game, in which David Aardsma started Yuniesky Betancourt off with three straight sliders and later finished him off with a fastball at the eyes. Yuni's O-Swing% so far this year is nearly 50%.
- During a mound visit in the top of the ninth, Milton Bradley chatted with home plate umpire Bob Davidson. On several occasions, Bradley smiled.
- Jose Lopez pulled off another Adrian Beltre Special on a swinging bunt. Once again, he wasn't quite as smooth and the play didn't seem as graceful, but the result was there, and if Jose Lopez can do everything Adrian Beltre did 10% worse, then that's good news for the Mariners. Remember all the people who used to rip into Lopez for his allegedly poor work ethic? Where are those people now? I have been nothing short of impressed by Lopez's work at third base, and it's for that reason that I'm willing to give him a little bit of a break at the plate for the time being.
Bradleys smile gives me goosebumps.
And I cant tell if they are the good kind or the bad kind.
rbr07 - April 28, 2010
A little comparison
Me:
You:
Me:
You:
and
Me:
You:
One of us needs to find a new team to write about.
davidcameron - April 28, 2010
When I read Jeff's summary, I wondered for a few minutes whether I had already read most of those thoughts on Twitter or something.
Turns out it was USSM.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
I noticed it too...
Deja vu…
basebliman - April 28, 2010
What were you guys supposed to differ on?
Dave:
Jeff:
SethGrandpa - April 28, 2010
Where did Jeff write that, I can't find it?
beastwarking - April 28, 2010
Jeff would know better than to call the sun a planet.
JY - April 28, 2010
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAhdtDmsOw
RunningFool - April 28, 2010
I have never seen that.
JY - April 28, 2010
"One of us needs to find a new team to write about."
Or a different brain to share.
JY - April 28, 2010
Wouldn't they still write about the same things?
88fingerslukee - April 28, 2010
That assumes that a game, and an organization, always have certain, very specific things worth talking about and everything else isn't.
You can talk about other stuff, but sometimes it requires a niche role.
JY - April 28, 2010
I don't know if this is a sore subject...
…but with Derek leaving USSM, might it make sense to merge the blogs?
Andersean - April 28, 2010
Dave has brought on three regular writers over there.
And USSM now has a formalized partnership, being hosted by Fangraphs, where Dave becomes a full-time editor when he finishes school in the next few months. Both blogs still have a fairly developed viewer base, and USSM still gets a lot more unique hits than LL (even though LL has more comments).
So…it’s kind of up to Dave and the Sexy People here, but I’m guessing no.
harkening - April 28, 2010
Makes sense
I wasn’t recommending a merger, so much as just pondering aloud. Or, rather, in print.
Andersean - April 28, 2010
Also, that wouldn't really solve the problem. It might even exacerbate it.
CapSea - April 28, 2010
Pecking order might be tricky.
It works in funny ways when you have multiple people capable of and wanting to post about the same topic. I might have to fight JH for the Peguero post I know both of us are probably thinking about.
JY - April 28, 2010
Hopefully you guys don't fight like Pegeuro swings.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
How would that work?
Just kind of charge at each other, swinging arms all windmill-style?
See, that works better when I can use that to describe Sams or Halman, even though the joke itself is just stupid at this point.
JY - April 28, 2010
I figured you guys would be taking huge cuts at each other and just missing wildly most of the time.
Finally someone would connect and end the other. Then, writing would commence.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
Let's do this. I can take JY now, while he's a student and is unable to eat proper food.
marc w - April 28, 2010
Exacerbate makes me think of masturbate.
Fuck you, Griffey.
Matt Erickson - April 28, 2010 via mobile
For a long time, I wondered why the two didn't merge, especially since they share readership and events.
I’m sure there’s massive user overlap—commenter “JY” (Jay Yencich) here is the minor leagues contributor at USSM. I have commenting accounts on both sites.
But then, the community here is a lot different than the one there. As much as this is a SABR-friendly blog, it’s very discussion and personality driven. USSM is almost pure analytics. In a Fangraphs podcast about building team-specific blogs, Dave commented on how Jeff is a funny guy and a good writer and knows he’s funny and a good writer, so there’s a lot of personality injected into his work. He then went on to claim that he himself (Dave) wasn’t very funny, and so stuck to his guns.
Plus, could you imagine the amount of content to try to sort through? You’d have, literally, seven writers (+Graham if/when he returns to the fold, and maybe Derek if he decides to make a return with renewed passion), all brilliant.
I think what you’re seeing now is a re-consolidation of the M’s blogosphere. Jay still maintains Mariner Minors, but he’s now writing for USSM, too. JonBBT maintains Pro Ball NW, but is Graham’s replacement Sexy Person here. We essentially have a binary star of USSM/LL with orbiting planets, satellite blogs if you will. It’s great that it’s so interconnected, and yet still reasonably defined.
harkening - April 28, 2010
LL is the frat house; USSM is the book club
I think this comparison makes some kind of sense.
Brian Floyd - April 28, 2010
I'm actually a pretty funny guy when I want to be!
But then again, I think I’ve actually written something on the order of 5 posts.
Jeff Nye - April 28, 2010
Not as much the writers; They're great on both sites in all different ways
But more the regular clientele
Brian Floyd - April 28, 2010
I get what you're saying there.
There are times when I’ve cracked one of my “jokes” there and people have taken me seriously, which is charming in its own way, but certainly not intended.
For example, during spring training, someone quibbled with my questioning if the team could “live” (specific verb choice there) long-term with Tui at short, should Wilson get injured, and my response was something to effect of “Well, I don’t want to alarm anyone, but since the idea was proposed, Jack Hannahan pulled his groin and Cliff Lee strained his abdominal muscle. At this rate, the entire team may be dead by the end of May.” And someone, I think it was the same person, replied with something about not expecting to see superstition on an analytical blog.
JY - April 28, 2010
That must be why I don't fit in here.
Maybe I should try out USSM.
RunningFool - April 28, 2010
Maybe.
Personally I dislike the frat house reference since the LL people I have met seem to be able to hold their liquor and aren’t all rapey in person.
Sec 108 - April 28, 2010
"aren’t all rapey in person."
You and I both know that’s not true.
CapSea - April 28, 2010
Wait, I just realized this could totally reflect poorly on me.
CapSea - April 28, 2010
Now would be a good time to introduce the ability to delete posts
cwel87 - April 28, 2010
On behalf of myself and other Greek collegians I must say
that I can’t really refute any of that.
lemonverbena - April 28, 2010
It sounds to me like you should alter your perception of what goes on in a frat house
Because they tend to be able to hold their liquor and don’t tend to be rapey
Trenchtown - April 28, 2010
Depends on the frat house.
MT Olson - April 28, 2010
I agree.
I know where y’all are coming from, but the stereotype doesn’t hold as afton as one would think. I am an admitted “frat boy” and as far as I know I haven’t raped anyone (okay okay, I know I’ve never raped anyone) and can probably hang with the 80-90th percentile in terms of heavy drinking.
appleshampoo - April 29, 2010
Look since I started it I will chime in.
It was a JOKE. I think you all need to get over yourselves.
Sec 108 - April 30, 2010
I can sincerely vouch for the non rapey in person statement!
melenious - April 28, 2010
Yeah not so much the holding one's liqour though.
Sec 108 - April 29, 2010
Small sample size?
Decatur - April 29, 2010
I started on USSM and migrated here.
And I am a book club person. So…maybe, maybe not.
harkening - April 28, 2010
I used more words!
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
Man
It hasn’t been this similar in a while. I almost missed it.
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
We've done pretty good until today
If you write about belief systems tomorrow, I’m coming after you.
davidcameron - April 28, 2010
Off days are humor days at Lookout Landing
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
Humor is verboten on baseball days.
Eyebrows - April 28, 2010
What are baseball days?
harkening - April 28, 2010
Baseball humor days
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
Yay!
Poochie - April 29, 2010
And if you right about giant walking bananas tomorrow, I quit.
marc w - April 28, 2010
It's almost like you were watchign the same game
Bearskin Rugburn - April 29, 2010
Loafie's defense is surprising, yes, but also confusing.
It proves that he’s willing to accept coaching and / or work his ass off on his own to get better. Given that piece of information, it’s hard to rectify his plate approach either getting worse or showing no progress. He clearly isn’t Yuni, so why hasn’t he made progress? I find this endlessly puzzling.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
I don't think you can just change a player's approach at the plate
Lopez probably can’t identify pitches that well but he does have above average contact skills. To prevent himself from misidentifying pitches and falling behind in the count he just swings at everything. I’m sure if players could just walk more or make less outs they would if the could but its just not that easy to say to yourself that you should change your approach and have it work out.
Edgar for Pres - April 28, 2010
Yes, I'm advocating that he just wakes up tomorrow a different hitter.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
Maybe he could wake up as Pujols tomorrow.
el generico - April 29, 2010
Rob Johnson has, thus far, swung at 10% fewer pitches this season. It's helping.
Lopez could simply swing less, or work slowly on pitch recognition, or work on not trying to pull fastballs on the outer half, or figure out how to adjust to breaking balls, or any minor combination of these things. Professional athletes work on things to get better.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
Taking the first pitch of an at bat worked really wonderfully for him in 2008.
I sometimes feel he should go back to that.
joof - April 28, 2010
I don't like the idea that a batter should just walk up with the bat on his shoulders and take the first pitch of every at-bat.
I remember when Yuni tried this as some weird substitute for real patience. Not only did he appear pained letting a pitch go by, but if pitchers know you’re doing it then they have no incentive to throw anything but strike one. Handing over a strike is dumb. It would even be nice if Loafie would recognize that he can’t do much with pitches on the outside half and would take some of them instead of just fouling off possible balls.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
Luis Castillo disagrees.
But Castillo obviously doesn’t have the same ability with the bat that Lopez has.
Nate Dogg - April 28, 2010
Bobby Abreu disagrees as well. He's also a much better hitter than Lopez
Allen Wu - April 28, 2010
I always wondered if that was a coaching directive. Seemed out of character for him to be so disciplined.
And so consistent. Anyway, with Loafie I’ve been dorking around with the pitch f/x blog trying to figure out if he’s sitting on a specific zone for that first pitch. As in they told him to only swing if it’s dead red or it’s his ass, or whatever is the equivalent in Wakamatsu speech.
Kermit. - April 28, 2010
Pretty sure Wade Boggs never swung at a first pitch.
worked pretty well for him.
Lucas Cervi - April 29, 2010
It's one thing to have the discipline to let the first pitch go by. It's another entirely to decide to not swing at the first for no good reason when you have poor pitch recognition.
abender20 - April 29, 2010
For most hitters this would turn out to be a bad strategy
Hitters after a 0-1 do pretty badly (~Jack Wilson level) and most pitchers throw first pitch strikes above 50% of the time. I’m fine with being selective and only hitting it if its a fastball down the middle but not hitting first pitches at all is probably a bad strategy.
Edgar for Pres - April 29, 2010
Boggs swung at 367 first pitches.
marc w - April 29, 2010
So not never then?
Sec 108 - April 29, 2010
I am convinced Lopez is capable of a finite amount of effort/concentration
in the past, he has focused on driving the ball while daydreaming on the infield dirt. With the position switch, his limited attention span is captivated by fielding his new position, and at the plate he thinks more about how he would field the grounder he just hit to third than about how to get that grounder past third.
Bearskin Rugburn - April 29, 2010
Are there any videos yet available of Lopez' Beltre impression or Wilson's Jeter impression that outclasses the original?
I looked up Pravda and they only have highlights from hitting.
JY - April 28, 2010
I need to come knock on your door and ask how Ichiro is doing.
ARock - April 28, 2010
Anywhere i can see the wilson play?
I checked mlb.com and they didn’t have it, i was hoping i missed a .gif.
mark2 - April 28, 2010
Please. It's not on MLB.com and I'd love to see it. Thanks in advance
A Steamy Day in Cleveland - April 28, 2010 via mobile
It'll probably be a Web Gem.
Check ESPN’s site tomorrow!
Coach Owens - April 28, 2010
Hey Snell put up just about the same game last night
Dewey N - April 28, 2010
Really?
Not sure if this is sarcastic Snell love. But, it seems to me that he was behind in the count a lot more and had more base runners against more frequently.
Snuffleupagus - April 28, 2010
I didn't watch RRS but I assume he pitched like Ian Snell did
Dewey N - April 29, 2010
Shut up Fogel
Graham MacAree - April 29, 2010
Shut up Fagel
Poochie - April 29, 2010
Shut up Dewey.
Kirk - April 29, 2010
rec'd
Jeff Sullivan - April 29, 2010
Shut up Ian?
Robert - April 29, 2010
The whole Ichiro paragraph was gold.
Awesome recap, as usual Jeff.
JBell523 - April 28, 2010
I have a serious urge to walk up to some random house and ask "so how is Ichiro doing?"
the other side - April 28, 2010
The last sentence on Jack Wilson is pure fucking gold.
Eyeball Kid - April 28, 2010
God, just totally ruined me too.
I actually read it aloud to my girlfriend. She didn’t get it.
moyerLIVES - April 28, 2010
It's only funny when you picture Jack Wilson
MT Olson - April 28, 2010
I did the exact same thing
Explaining that you just laughed out loud because of a joke that relies on body parts of dead seven year olds is trickier than anticipated . . .
Snuffleupagus - April 28, 2010
That is the best thing about this place.
My Dominican girlfriend isn’t a baseball person by any stretch. On a recent road trip she was half sleeping and I was listening to the LL podcasts. Now she is listening to them with me because she (as a writer) finds them hilarious – and has me sending her some snippets of things like that line about Wilson.
ExiledToSoCal - April 29, 2010
Absolutely hilarious.
It took me a few minutes to stop re-reading it.
E-Lizz - April 28, 2010
And as my Caps go down with a whimper
baseball season has finally started for me. Will take a few days for the homicidal rage to pass but I hope to be all-in for Lee on Friday.
DCMariner - April 28, 2010
I'm with you.
I’m still sitting here in shock. Why can’t any of the teams I root for win something, especially in the years where they completely destroy the league?
Wilder. - April 28, 2010
I'd like to have a year when we have a team that just barely makes the playoffs and then wins it all.
That would be swell.
JY - April 28, 2010
Mariners?
Allen Wu - April 28, 2010
This team is built to kill in short series.
Here’s hoping the offense eventually comes around enough to give us a fighting chance to do so.
JY - April 28, 2010
Felix/Lee/Bedard(assuming he comes back healthy) can shut down even the Yankees lineup
Allen Wu - April 28, 2010
So true. First thing I thought when we got Cliff Lee
is that this team is built for the playoffs, particularly a short series. It was the regular season that had me wondering.
E-Lizz - April 28, 2010
WE DID IT ERRYBODY
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
Yes, something like that.
JY - April 28, 2010
I'm stuck at work untill 11p est.
Once I’m out I’m going to be drinking heavily. I’ll be throwing a detective’s funeral ala The Wire in memory of my Caps. Calling in sick tomorrow.
DCMariner - April 28, 2010
Would it be stupid to start thinking about extending Kotchman for another 2-3 years?
Kaorikaze - April 28, 2010
Yes.
Eyebrows - April 28, 2010
I like that the Angels fan was the first to say that.
For one thing, he’s still under control through the 2011 season, so there is that, but also, Carp may still be around, Poythress may be ready by then, and Raben would be coming soon after, to say nothing of other options available on the market.
Kotch is good for us right now because he’s only 3.5 million, a great glove, and thus far, a solid bat, albeit with the struggles against southpaws. While he is the kind of player one could win with, we should also consider upgrades as well, because we could afford it. Also, it’s just one month, seriously.
JY - April 28, 2010
The last sentence hit the nail on the head.
the other side - April 28, 2010
Giving players extensions before their contract year when they're not Felix level amazing is just dumb.
Exhibit A: Ryan Howard.
SethGrandpa - April 28, 2010
Yeah, locking up Evan Longoria was sure idiotic.
abender20 - April 28, 2010
He's Felix level amazing though
Kaorikaze - April 28, 2010
almost^
Kaorikaze - April 28, 2010
No, he is.
Sec 108 - April 29, 2010
Well, those kind of scenarios are different.
The Rays were trying to keep his arbitration numbers under control. Going to arbitration is like going into a contract year for four straight years.
Wilder. - April 28, 2010
I still can't get over that.
Wonder what Prince Fielder is expecting now?
hcoguy - April 28, 2010
Anywhere I can see the Jack Wilson play?
The mlb.com highlights from this game don’t seem to have it.
Janic - April 28, 2010
Here you are
Jeff Sullivan - April 28, 2010
This is the first I've seen of this play
And no, Jack Wilson does not look like someone who would be capable of this. And yet he is.
Gihyou - April 28, 2010
I'm guessing Tui doesn't make that play
Those hamstrings better last.
romdal - April 28, 2010
In my mind, as I watch this throw,
I hear the cartoon sound effect that often accompanied Wile E. Coyote falling off a cliff, the high whistling dropping off and then an explosion as the ball hits Kotchman’s glove.
JY - April 28, 2010
Jeez he's moving away from 1st but yet fires an amazing throw still.
Slurvey - April 28, 2010
Ha, just made #1 on BBTN webgems
Not that it really matters, but still…
Karma Police - April 28, 2010
I hate how they are going to compare every Web Gem to Buehrle's play for the entire 6-month season.
Wilder. - April 28, 2010
This is art
Allen Wu - April 28, 2010
Anybody miss Yuni now?
Sec 108 - April 29, 2010
The reasons why the people on this blog isn't at all performance based.
Robert - April 29, 2010
You're doing it again.
Mariner John - April 29, 2010
It seems to be getting worse :(
Robert - April 29, 2010
The Yuni trade is my second favorite Jack trade just because Yuni is no longer a Mariner.
Jed MC - April 29, 2010
For those who have .gif-ing capabilities (or just want to see it and have FSN)
the game replay is now at the top of the 8th, and the Wilson play ends the bottom of the 8th (as I understand it)
msb - April 28, 2010
"With the score 6-5 Mariners in the bottom of the ninth, a man in the first row behind home plate was reading a newspaper."
I saw that too and couldn’t believe my eyes. Almost as baffling as that couple with the Richie Sexson jerseys.
Fearless Frog - April 28, 2010
Wait, Richie Sexson doesn't play for the Mariners?
JAH - April 28, 2010
There are still stacks of Sexson jerseys on the clearance rack at the Westlake store
appleshampoo - April 29, 2010
They still have Putz and Betancourt ones at the Safeco Store.
I want burn them every time I see them.
sanford_and_son - April 29, 2010
*to
sanford_and_son - April 29, 2010
How cheap are these?
Cheap enough to tie dye in tribute to the funk blast? (God, I’m thinking of tie dying stuff. I’ve been in Berkeley too long.)
Edgar for Pres - April 29, 2010
I got a white authentic Beltre for right around $100 at the Safeco team store
I’m guessing most of the departed players are in that similar price range. Cheaper for replicas, of course.
appleshampoo - April 30, 2010
Oh and if you do tie dye one of them
pictures will be required. This is an awesome idea and now I want to do it! (I love bright colors, and retro stuff.)
appleshampoo - April 30, 2010
I don't think I'd drop $100 on it but you have my permission to take the idea and run with it
I don’t know if I would have enough opportunities down here to wear something like that. I’m not really a tie dye sort of guy. It would be cool to see. If you do it, pictures are definitely required. It would make a sweet Halloween costume.
Edgar for Pres - April 30, 2010
Yeah, I was at the Team Store in Southcenter mall and saw a whole bunch there too.
Along with a lot of Kenji Johjima and Russell Branyan.
Fearless Frog - April 29, 2010
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