SB Nation - Login for mobile commenting

Lookout Landing

Dustin Ackley Slowly Heating Up

Hello all.  I apologize for the break in minor league coverage.  Any of you who follow my site know that I've been laying low for the past few weeks and have been pretty well disconnected from the blogosphere.

Since it's been awhile since the last update I'm going to abandon the previous format and just play it by ear from here on out.  I just haven't had the time (or the desire to make the time, really) to run through every single prospect for these posts.  Here we'll talk about what's going on with Dustin Ackley.

After getting generally good reviews in last season's Arizona Fall League and this year's Spring Training some fans were already penciling Ackley into the big league infield for the second half of the season.  But while most of the focus on Ackley coming into the season was his defense and how he adjusted to playing a new position, his bat provided a nice reality check.  The Southern League is an extremely aggressive landing spot for a new pro-- even the consensus most mature hitter in the draft.

Ackley hit just .147/.289/.227 with few extra base hits during the month of April (90 PAs). The process was sound however.  Scouting reports indicated that there was nothing broken in his swing, and his high pitches per plate appearance and 14.4% walk rate were certainly encouraging.  It seemed as though it was just a matter of time before balls started falling in for Ackley. The adjustment time was certainly understandable for Ackley.

Ackley talked to AOL Fanhouse about these adjustments a few weeks ago: 

Star-divide

"It has definitely been tough, tougher than I thought. You are playing six, seven days a week. There are no outside distractions, no more worrying about classes. Hopefully, I will get this first month under my belt, get adjusted to the changes and start hitting better."

The transition to second base could be another reason why Ackley was off to the slow start.  Says Ackley in the same article:

Ackley continues to spend extra time fielding ground balls, learning the proper angles and knowing where he needs to be positioned when singles turn into doubles and doubles turn into triples. Ackley's also learning the different styles of turning a double play -- the glove work and footwork -- and getting out of harm's way.

"I knew [second base] was going to be a change but I never knew it was going to be that big of a change," Ackley said and smiled.

"It's a big difference, learning all the angles, learning how to take a double play throw from your third baseman, knowing where I need to be on balls to the outfield. Basically, learning any situation. I've come to find out there's a lot of places you need to be and a lot of things you need to learn."

There are certainly reasons to cut Ackley some slack.  He's playing every single day, he's hitting with wood bats, he's facing tougher competition, he's traveling more than he's ever had to, he's away from his native North Carolina for the first time in his life, and so on.  He can handle it, but there were plenty of reasons to keep from panicking. 

Ackley is coming around with the bat.  With some of that adjustment period out of the way and a few subtle mechanical tweaks to his feet he's hitting .279/.426/.419 with 5 multi-hit games and 4 extra base hits (including his first homer of the year) so far in May.  It's not quite the .300/.400/.500 dreams fans were having at draft time but it's progress.  He continues to walk and see a lot of pitches but has been squaring up on and getting more air under the ball and the hits have been falling in.

Defensively, the incoming scouting reports continue to be positive.  He is making progress and the reports indicate that his gaffes are occurring primarily on routine plays rather than finding himself out of position and making stupid plays.  He'll tighten those screws with time.  He's doing a good job of learning the position on the fly and his feel for the game and athleticism should allow him to make up for it plenty.  Ackley is an adequate AA second baseman right now, and there is little reason to believe he can't become an adequate MLB second baseman soon before growing from there.

Ackley is still in line to become a big league leadoff or #2 hitter one day, with the outside chance that he develops enough power during his peak to hit in the middle of the order.  Ackley's patient approach and speed-- he's been rated as high as 70 on the 20-80 scale and has 5 steals on 6 attempts so far this year-- will look awfully nice near the top of the Mariner order a couple years from now.

I wouldn't think that Ackley's timetable has changed much due to the slow start.  He should be looking to crack the starting lineup sometime towards the end of next season and certainly by 2012.  But while Ackley hasn't done anything negative or positive enough to change his timetable, you have to wonder if the performance of Jose Lopez might (with an eye on next season more than this one).  Keep an eye out.

2 recs  |  58 comments

Comments

Jon!

Good to see you back and writing again.

Good stuff.

Thanks for the update!

If the timing works out, Ichiro-Figgins-Ackley-Guti at the top of our lineup

would be so annoying to other teams. That would take like 17 or 18 pitches to get through and their speedy

Their speedy what?
Their speedy typos
Could also be "they're speedy typos"...

…referring to Matthew’s typing, though – not the M’s. ;-)

If Figgins can find his bat

I’m kinda getting worried that his dramatic drop in BABIP is something more than just small sample size. I wish I could watch more games, but it seems like he’s turned his liners in to strikeouts and ground balls which is.. alarming?

I know he's still only a prospect, and a very untested one at that

but in my mind he’s going to be Brian Roberts for us. I’ve always hated watching the Ms face Brian Roberts

Hmmm. I like this comp. You always hear the "Utley Lite" comps, but this is better.
Brian Roberts is better than Utley-lite?
I think he meant this is a better comp
It doesn't seem like Ackley is ever going to steal that many bases.

I think he’ll steal less, but get on base more, hit for higher average, with slightly more home run power but maybe not as many doubles (because Roberts is a doubles machine)

He's got the speed to

but yeah, it’s not like he’s just going to start stealing bases out of nowhere

So...

Dustin Pedroia.

You are confusing 'plays in Fenway' with 'is good at hitting doubles'
Is .300/.400/.500 really reasonable from Ackley?

That seems like a lot more power than some people expect although I think everybody expects good BA and OBP. Would .300/.400/.425 or .300/.400/.450 be more realistic upside?

As long as you're talking about upside

.500 slugging should not be out of the question. .400/.450 is maybe a more reasonable projection though.

I don't see him as a .500 slugging guy for any extended period of time, no.

But that nice rounded slash line was tossed around quite a bit.

If he's going to slug .500 it's going to be doubles/triples led while occasionally hitting one out. A la Joe Mauer
His attitude sounds great, too

He’s willing to put in the time to learn and realizes his career will be full of lessons and adjustments. I just love the sound of that. Go Dustin!

Jon,

(Good to hear from you by the way) What player who is currently playing do you think he most resembles? I’ve heard comparisons to Jeter and Utley, but that seems a little hopeful.

Who compared him to Utley?

that seems like a pipe dream.

Same height/weight and the power production at UNC could deceive.

I wouldn’t exactly point and laugh at anyone making the Utley comparison because it’s not completely out of the question, but it’s just unfair to compare a prospect to a superstar. Of course, that’s natural to do when you’ve got a #2 overall pick.

It's sort of your last point that I was thinking of

He may end up being something like Utley but to make that comparison now is crazy. We don’t even know if he can play second base yet.

Seems pretty realistic to me.

He’s white, he went to college, he plays second base. Boom! Hall of Famer.

Comps are always a weird game to play. You always end up looking at an absolute ceiling more than a likely outcome. He could become another Utley. I wouldn’t put money on it, though.

Or what Jon said.
Who was Utley compared to before he became the gold standard?
Bret Boone?
Ugh

never did like him

2001-2003 Brett Boone or every other Brett Boone year ever?
We could be cocky about it and compare Ackley to himself.

Since he will be the greatest at whatever position the M’s ultimately promote him

Pujols is the old Dustin Ackley
While understanding that they are putting him at 2nd for a reason

What is the possibility he’ll also play some OF? I know he was switched because he’s conceivably blocked by our awesome outfield, but will they look to kept him versatile?

He was also moved because he had Tommy John surgery after injuring his throwing arm and they weren't sure if he could handle outfield throws.

He spent a lot of time at first in his junior year after the TJ.

From the above linked article
“Towards the end of the Fall League they told me there was a chance I could maybe move to second base, that somebody had the idea of me playing there,” said Ackley, who played almost everywhere on a diamond, from youth league to college, with the exception of one position — you guessed it, second base.

“They told me to keep it in mind, they said we don’t know for sure if we are going to do it,” Ackley said. “But they said if they did, we are going to go all the way with it. We are not going to play just a little bit there, a little bit in the outfield; we are going to go all the way. After the Fall League they were like, well, we are really going to do this.”
2011/12 is looking very interesting

Its a little premature to speculate about who will be playing with the big club and when, but nonetheless the M’s have a very interesting batch of advanced position prospects. Triunfel has coming around (speed aside, but given the broken leg, that will come last), Ackley is coming around, Franklin has been hitting, Liddi hasn’t imploded (and is looking adequate so far) and Peguero is hitting with some power. Of course we all know about Saunders. Think about this:

2012
RF: Ichiro
3B: Figgins
CF: Guti
DH: ?
2B: Ackley
SS: Triunfel
1B: Poythress/Liddi
LF: Saunders
C: Moore/Johnson

If nothing else, that’s more interesting than our actual lineup, and who knows? Maybe Rob Johnson will be in a wheelchair by then.

It doesn't sound like anyone expects Triunfel to stay at SS

He’s much too big for the position. With his arm and athleticism though, sounds like people are looking at 3B/RF for him.

This doesn't really make sense to me.

He might be big, but A-Rod is HUGE for a shortstop and posted +12 UZRs in both 2002 and 2003 before moving to third for the Yankees. In his first year in New York, he managed to post a +8 UZR at third. Triunfel is smaller than A-Rod in almost every way.

Size really doesn't have a ton to do with it, I think

From what I’ve read, Triunfel just isn’t going to be good enough to play SS in the bigs.

Everybody I've ever heard express an opinion thinks that Triunfel will either end up as a corner infielder or corner outfielder.

He just isn’t athletic enough to stick in the middle infield.

A-Rod is a freak.

Triunfel is just like every other high-ceiling young prospect — put them at shortstop and see how long it lasts. But not a whole lot of them are going to be shortstops in the majors. Most guys grow out of the position. Or they suck. Not sure how much of each is a factor with Triunfel. But I think it’s a pretty safe rule that most guys lose range as they grow.

I’ve only watched Triunfel for about two innings, so I have nothing to go on other than the general scouting opinion we here. And there seems to be a consensus there.

I don't think people think Triunfel will stay at SS

because it sounds like he lacks enough range. Remember Mike Morse trying to play SS? Probably not that bad but its an example.

Then people should stop saying "he's too big" and instead say "he lacks range."
Most people lack range because they are too big

From what I’ve heard he could field the position when he was younger but as he has aged and put on a fair amount of weight/muscle which people think is reducing his range.

Ah, the Yuniesky Betancourt Applebee's Effect.
Also, and I should've mentioned this in my previous post...

In his last Future Forty update, Dave listed Triunfel as contributing in 2011. If he’s projected to play 3B/RF, we have a problem. We have Figgins signed through 2013 as our 3B, and Ichiro isn’t going anywhere. Our third OF is likely Saunders, and Guti is signed through 2013 plus a team option for 2014.

The OF is stacked, 3B is occupied, Ackley is going to be our 2B by 2013, likely in 2012 (and getting a call up next year)…where’s Triunfel to go? Either Figgins moves to short or Triunfel sticks at short.

…or he becomes trade bait. =/

No reason to think that Triunfel couldn't handle shortstop at least for the first couple years of his big league career.

If his bat progresses as hoped he won’t have to be Jack Wilson over there.

So Figgins contract expires and we move Triunfel to 3B?

Just as a projection.

Are you seeing improvement out of Triunfel's defense then, Jon?

Or is it just a question of “he can not totally embarrass himself there and the bat will be worth it?”

The latter.

I think people tend to hear “he won’t stick at the position long term” and interpret it “he can’t play the position now.”

That’s not to say I see him starting consistently for the Mariners there (if everything progresses as hoped), but rather that people shouldn’t be so quick to write him off because he’s not a plus plus defender. If he’s a hitter, you don’t mind so much.

Of course, the infield logjam of prospects makes it a little tough to tell if the Mariners want Triunfel getting most of his work at SS or if he’s only there because he’s fenced in by Liddi and Ackley. Last season they were planning on playing him at third and second as much as short to increase his versatility (surprise, surprise).

Having too many guys who are good and able to contribute isn't really a problem
I didn't say it was a problem.

But it is something to consider when we’re talking about optimally utilizing players’ skill sets.

You forgot the obvious

2012
DH: Ken Griffey Jr.

Let’s try to keep our projections within the realm of reason.

It's pretty much pointless to try and project this team two years ahead.

What would the 2010 lineup look like if you tried to project it in 2008?

I have a good feeling the Dustin Ackley will be a consensus top 5 prospect heading into next season.

It feels good to finally have another hitting prospect this talented.

He's already a consensus top ten guy and the top two guys pretty much have their tickets punched later this year (Strasburg, Santana)

if only Harper jumps him in the rankings, he should be a top-5 guy no problem

I don't think he's consensus top 10. Certainly top 20 (I didn't see anybody rank him lower than the teens).

You must Login with your SB Nation account and be a member of Lookout Landing to post a comment.