I am not claiming that the following incorporates all the avenues that luck could be influencing team offenses. Please note that all totals do not include yesterday's games.
A natural extension to the posts about the regressed wOBAs for Mariner players is to ask how the team's total of 23.3 runs compares to the rest of the league. That is easily doable for me, but it got me thinking because simply regressing a team's wOBA does not tell a majority of the story. Importantly, there is also the large degree luck in actually scoring runs. You might recognize this sector of luck from the standard intro into why we evaluate teams with BaseRuns.
I feel that aspect is important to consider in conjunction with the regressed wOBA because I see the two pieces as independent of each other. A team might be unlucky in having many of its line drives caught but might also be lucky in getting hits with runners in scoring position. Regressed wOBA isn't going to measure the latter and BaseRuns isn't going to measure the former. Hence, the below attempt at combining the two.
You already know how I come up with the difference in runs due to regressed wOBAs. For the other part, I could have just used BaseRuns subtracted from actual runs scored, but I wanted to keep things grounded on wOBA so instead of BaseRuns, I used expected runs scored calculated from the team's wOBA.
Let me explain the table below. The column titled 'wOBAr' is what you are used to from before - how many runs you would add (or subtract) to the team by regressing the wOBAs of the individual players. The column titled 'BsR' is on the same scale and is the number of runs you would add (or subtract) to the team by substituting in your run scoring estimator (e.g. BaseRuns, wOBA) in place of actual runs scored. The 'Luck' column is the addition of those two numbers. The final column is the projected runs scored for the team if you adjusted their actual runs scored by the 'Luck' and extended it over 162 games.
So far the Chicago White Sox turn out to be the most unlucky offense; regressing the team wOBAs (like I did here) would give them an additional 37.6 runs. However, they have scored 8.8 more runs than one would expect given their actual team wOBA so those 8.8 runs are subtracted away from the 37.6 they get back from wOBA regression to leave them with a total unlucky deposit of 28.8 runs. They have actually scored 152 runs in 37 games. Upping that to 180.8 (152 + 28.8), gives them a projected RS of 792 for the season.
| Team | wOBAr | BsR | Luck | RS* |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| NYA | 6.0 | 1.1 | 7.1 | 964 |
| BOS | 15.6 | 11.2 | 26.8 | 955 |
| MIL | -2.9 | 19.7 | 16.8 | 933 |
| PHI | -0.3 | -6.1 | -6.4 | 900 |
| MIN | -1.1 | 20.3 | 19.2 | 884 |
| CHN | 2.2 | 19.5 | 21.7 | 830 |
| LAN | 0.4 | -3.9 | -3.5 | 821 |
| DET | -4.0 | 19.1 | 15.1 | 815 |
| CHA | 37.6 | -8.8 | 28.8 | 792 |
| COL | 1.5 | 2.5 | 4.0 | 789 |
| SLN | 13.3 | 10.4 | 23.7 | 788 |
| ATL | 6.6 | 5.0 | 11.6 | 778 |
| TOR | 5.0 | -14.4 | -9.4 | 776 |
| WAS | -0.3 | 12.4 | 12.1 | 740 |
| CIN | -3.2 | -7.7 | -10.9 | 734 |
| KCA | 2.2 | 15.2 | 17.4 | 733 |
| ARI | -17.5 | -5.8 | -23.3 | 730 |
| FLO | 8.9 | -14.2 | -5.3 | 730 |
| TEX | 9.3 | -18.0 | -8.7 | 720 |
| ANA | 20.3 | -9.7 | 10.6 | 707 |
| CLE | 1.1 | 16.9 | 18.0 | 707 |
| NYN | 7.9 | -9.7 | -1.8 | 699 |
| SFN | -1.9 | 1.8 | -0.1 | 696 |
| TBA | -7.0 | -31.5 | -38.5 | 693 |
| OAK | 6.8 | -5.2 | 1.6 | 650 |
| SDN | 8.0 | -12.5 | -4.5 | 633 |
| SEA | 23.3 | -0.3 | 23.0 | 631 |
| BAL | 4.4 | 14.2 | 18.6 | 630 |
| PIT | 9.0 | 0.5 | 9.5 | 607 |
| HOU | 24.7 | -21.5 | 3.2 | 491 |
The columns are sortable by the way. Just click on the column headers.
You'll notice some intuitive results here. Jeff has mentioned that the Rays' lineup has not actually been that potent in 2010. And we all remember how much talk there was about their hitting with runners in scoring positing during the series they swept us. Accordingly, they have been exceedingly lucky in plating runs and have actually been a rather mediocre offensive team.
Houston is wow so very very bad.
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So The Mariners are among the least lucky teams in baseball?
Sorry but I’m having some trouble interpreting what this data means
Slow Country - May 19, 2010
Per this definition, yes
Just sort by the luck column
Matthew - May 19, 2010
Thanks
I just wanted to make sure I was looking the right way.
Slow Country - May 19, 2010
Before anybody asks
the spread in non-SB baserunning goes from -4.8 (Nationals) to +7.5 (Rangers).
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
Somebody was going to ask that?
Matthew - May 19, 2010
I bet you would have asked that
Matthew - May 19, 2010
Indeed I did
Which is why I did the research.
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
Always Ask Questions
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
It would not have been among the first handful of questions I would have pondered
Matthew - May 19, 2010
The first thing I would have thought would be how to word a question so as to make maximum fun of how bad Houston is
Matthew - May 19, 2010
tommy Manzella has you covered.
abender20 - May 19, 2010
He gets the capital t when he gets above 0 WAR.
abender20 - May 19, 2010
Q: Are these projected RS numbers park neutral?
A: No, they are not
Q: Does Houston play in a massive pitcher’s park or something
A: No, they do not!
Q: So they’re even worse than this in a neutral context?
A: Yes, they are!
Q: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha?
A: Yes!
Matthew - May 19, 2010
The second question is more of a leading question and thus does not deserve a question mark
Matthew - May 19, 2010
I just pictured it as someone indignantly accusing you of gaming the numbers so it wouldn't have been stated quite like a question.
abender20 - May 19, 2010
How many runs would we expect them to have scored in a neutral context?
87 or so?
Robert Lintott - May 19, 2010
Carlos Lee has been a fatter Jose Lopez
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
Awesome defender?
Bearskin Rugburn - May 19, 2010
Without the defense!
abender20 - May 19, 2010
Jeff has a thing for baserunning
Dewey N - May 19, 2010
It frequently gets left out in the rain
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
What are we talking about?
Dewey N - May 19, 2010
What is your favorite source for baserunning value?
Basically I find where the M’s are on this scale.
Edgar for Pres - May 19, 2010
BP
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
Maybe I'm reading it wrong (i'm looking at EQBRR)
Leader: Mets +6.9 runs
Worst: Nationals -9.8 runs
M’s -7 runs
Edgar for Pres - May 19, 2010
Stolen bases are already accounted for in wOBA
So I take them out of the final figure.
Jeff Sullivan - May 19, 2010
Ah, tricky
Edgar for Pres - May 19, 2010
So where do the Mariners rank in that spread?
It’s hard to imagine what a worse baserunning team than us would look like.
csiems - May 19, 2010
Us but with more base runners
Matthew - May 19, 2010
Sortable zebras are cool.
rickpo - May 19, 2010
Great post!
It’s amazing to me that there are teams unluckier than us.
Cantu Easley Winn - May 19, 2010
Oh to be a pitcher
in the AL West, it seems. Some pretty weak hitting. Although the 2 worst are in the NL Central, but the Cubs and Brewers especially balance that out.
wobatus - May 19, 2010
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