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Roster Move Implications

Let's see what we've got here. Tuiasosopo for Wilson? This is just a move to get us an actual backup shortstop. Tui was primarily seeing time between Figgins and Lopez, and he's booted a few balls and made some bad throws. His unwatchable defense has only enhanced the downside of pinch-hitting for Jack Wilson. Josh Wilson, as we all know, isn't much, but the gap between Tui and Wilson in the field is like the gap between Rob Johnson and a catcher, so he gives Wak an actual option. It doesn't hurt that Wilson's been swinging a good bat in Tacoma, with a .333 average and 12 extra-base hits. Tui'll play regularly in the minors and try to develop into whatever he's going to be. Wilson probably goes away if and when Jack Hannahan demonstrates some competence in the middle infield.

Byrnes for Langerhans? I don't know that 38 plate appearances is proof of Byrnes' uselessness, but he didn't do anything to endear himself to the organization, so his going away comes as little surprise. Langerhans will come up and offer some actual talent and good defense without having to make a whole show of it. The tricky part here is that Langerhans is left-handed, which is difficult to reconcile with the desire to give Griffey regular time at DH, but then, maybe that means the team has gotten sick of Griffey at DH, which would be wonderful. Langerhans is a decent player, and it'll be nice to see him come back. It's also very possible they just stick him on the bench as the fourth OF.

The biggest critique of the moves so far has been that Mike Sweeney isn't involved, but then, I don't know what you expected them to do. They're not just going to cut him outright, and it's not like the system is bursting at the seams with Major League-caliber players. Certainly not right-handed bats. Who do you want? Tommy Everidge? What the M's need to do is put Sweeney on the DL and go outside the organization to fill his spot, and that's not something you can do in a snap. They have tomorrow off. There'll be conversations.

Talent-wise, there's nothing but gain. Blogging-wise, things won't be the same without Byrnes on the roster, but his last act of any significance was storming out of the clubhouse on a bicycle, and for that I say kudos, Eric. American television producers could learn a thing or two out of this.

Update: as Drayer points out, these moves bring the Mariners' 40-man roster to 41. Outside shot you could see someone kicked off the team, I guess, but the likelihood is that it's something minor. Drayer says the next move "will not be a 60 day DL move," but Ricky Orta underwent Tommy John a few weeks ago and isn't yet on the 60-day DL, so, who knows? Orta just seems so obvious. Could also see, I dunno, Varvaro go away, or even a two-for-one trade. 

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American television producers could learn a thing or two out of this.

Eric Byrnes is mad as hell and he’s not going to take it anymore!

Windown dressing. I would bet that Bradley is in LF most nights, and Griffey is the DH

Byrnes has shown little, but I still don’t understand why cutting Sweeney, and going with the Byrnes/Langerhans LF platoon, with Milton as full-time DH wasn’t the move that was made.

That would show actual change like Wak promised. Cutting a guy they were using mainly as just fourth outfielder doesn’t indicate to me they are 100% serious about maximizing roster potential. I think you guys are being a tad bit optimistic if you think Langerhans is going to be the primary LF vs right handed pitching.

I expect the hugging platoon will remain intact at the DH position most nights.

Give them time

They can’t fix everything at once.

Why the hell not.

We’re talking about Z here.

I agree, the fact that they're going for Sweeney/Griffey at DH instead of Byrnes/Langerhans in LF shows that nothing has really changed.

Unless Sweeney is swapped for a RH hitting OF that is at least as good as Byrnes, I’m ambivalent toward this move.

You don't know what they're doing
I'm not saying I do or condemning them, just noting that nothing has really changed yet.

I should have made it more clear that I understand another move has to go down tomorrow, and that I’m just going to wait until then to pass judgment (and yes I know my personal judgment means jack shit).

It's unfair to pass judgement on them then either

It’s entirely possible they’re already trying to work out a deal for the RH LF or DH or whatever. But that doesn’t happen usually happen overnight.

Replace "pass judgment" with "be content" and there ya go.
The roster stands at 41. Let's go ahead and wait 24 hours before we start condemning the front office.
Aw but I was ready to start burning the tree
Eric Byrnes doesn't like people who burn trees.
Eric Byrnes is that guy who somehow gets really hyper from weed
I really want that ability.
Because it's meth.
I hate that guy
But you love Eric Byrnes?
I hate that guy when I am also on weed*
I'd be elated if Langerhans' promotion means less Griffey
I just wish we'd had Langerhans for Friday and today
I wish we'd had Langerhans forever, dating back to whenever I first watched the Mariners
Ben Broussard is somewhere, being really jealous right now.
Ben too
Ben now
Ben there? And loved it.
Dunn that.
Any chance they will do anything to improve the catcher situation?
There is a chance but they like their catchers
... which makes them the only people involved with the Mariners (staff or family) that likes their catchers.
It's not terrible.

We have a real catcher, and Felix’s pet catcher. Wak just needs to figure out which one to play.

I would be very content with Johnson literally only catching when Felix pitches.

That would be just fine. Or Felix could find a new buddy, that would be fine, too.

Time to lock Felix and Moore in a small room for a few hours.
As creepy as that sounded....

Well at least lock them in the bullpen together.

Or a motel room
Just because you guys have lusty felix thoughts doesn't mean Adam should get stuck in the middle.
There's a three way that will haunt my nightmares...
FREE KILA KIA'AHUE

Seriously. The Royals are wasting him in AAA and they need relief pitching, which we have a bit of a glut of.

To take Junior's spot?
The Royals FO seems to really hate him.

Would be surprising if he isn’t available to anybody for anything.

The dude is hitting 307/.447/.640 in AAA
They also sent Alex Gordon down to the minors.

Freaky.

Z needs to break out whatever he shines his dome with and get to work.
Sticking with the topic, I feel this move needs to be made:

Jose Lopez, Dustin Ackley, Rick Poythress, and David Aardsma for Ryan Zimmerman.

I’m really sane, just trust me.

This could in fact be why you don't run a major league baseball team
Well Dayton Moore runs a mlb team, but still.
I wonder what it would take to get him
I'm curious too...

Anyone have a rough idea? Just simply more than we’d ever realistically give up?

I'd start with Daniel Cortes and if Moore really pushed I'd throw in Derrick Saito
The Royals are probably in a less than favorable bargaining position

Given that he has been in the majors for like 3-4 years and is 26, it might indicate that they don’t value him that much as a part of their future to send him down now.

I kinda want Mike Aviles

but i think we might have already gone through our desires to steal KCR players

I love Langerhans completely and utter irrationality and I know that he is far better in the outfield, but I am going to miss goofy ass Byrnes for irrational reasons.
Well, he's unemployed.

I bet if you have a nice tall bong and some killer pretzels he’d be willing to come over and chill.

I do live in the Bay Area, it's basically legal here.
I'm with you

that dude is crazy

I so wanted him to succeed here.

The man is tremendous human theater.

I feel really bad for him
How do you guys say it here

I think it’s “samesies”?

Eric Byrnes made baseball entertaining to watch, but in the same sense as watching a groin shot montage on America’s Funniest Home Videos.

And once you see enough groin shot montages, they cease to be entertaining.
The first time it's slightly funny, the second time it'e one huge cringe, the third time it literally hurts to watch.

Pretty much Byrnes right there.

Yes.

Eric Byrnes looks like he’s auditioning for television everywhere he goes. His shtick always seemed a bit contrived to me.

.

This gif was inevitable.
I never get tired of this.

This is better than crotch shots.

I loved the description somebody gave of this .gif a few weeks ago.

He goes to throw the ball, it goes over the wall, he looks at it like he is sad that it left and tells everyone that it left and he wants it back.

Yeah for some reason I'm really sad to see him go as well.

He seemed like he belonged in the movie Major League or something. Like he is just weird and whenever he struck out, he’d talk to himself the whole way back to the dugou. That and the bike story make me miss him a lot.

If another team signs Byrnes, do the M's have to pay any of his salary?
I believe the Diamondbacks are still on the hook for everything minus the league minimum.
Which is hilarious.
Goose:

SPRING BREAK WOOO!!!!
7-7-07 to 5-2-10. The long nightmare is finally over.

One last time. Fuck you Eric Byrnes.

I no longer have to make a FREE LANGERHANS shirt, so that's cool.

Welcome back to the suck, buddy!

Thank you for the memories, Byrnes!

We wish you the best in your future endeavors!

After going 0-3 since Opening Day, needed roster adjustments were made.

It’s weird to see such a quick leash on these players. Ever since Opening Day, everything’s been magnified tenfold.

Not sure where you were going with, but theres been a few more than 3 games.
Cliff Lee day when the team was .500
They changed the bullpen after going 0-3 in the 3 games after Opening Day (1-3 total)

This is the first major move since then besides the Lee one.

I feel stupid.

Makes sense now.

It was sarcasm coupled with...

“”http://www.ussmariner.com/2010/04/30/game-23-rangers-at-mariner/" >Not since Opening Day"

Wow, no idea what went wrong with either my linking skills or the ability to press "preview"
Makes sense now.

I wish Griffey had a damn leash.

This comment confuses me
Xavier Nady, anyone?

The Cubs have a ton of OFs, they need relievers, among other things.

You're gonna go blind
This is getting ridiculous.

Albert Pujols anyone??
I think he’s available for the right price.

You are kidding, right?
Nope he can totally be had for Sean White and Greg Halman.
Because that's exactly what I said
No he is serious, tait644.
I believe it was a general comment on the usefulness of rosterbation
One of these things is not like the other.
Pujols' name doesn't have an X in it?
That must be it.
Here I thought he meant that one was Albert Pujols

and the other one was a 4th or 5th OF for the Cubs.

Pujols is at least starting LF. Give him some credit for God's sake.
THERE IS A FUCKING FLOOR WOO HOO
Oh no there's not
Whoopsie.

Now you’ve gone and done it. Felix → DL announcement in 5, 4 ….

We're screwed.
Any perceived floor is merely a local minimum and not a true floor at all
Ooh, talk nerdy to me baby.
I wish I could

Unfortunately I failed my witticism check and the saving throw

You didn't verify concavity with a second derivative, Mariners continue on into negative infinity after a brief percieved floor.
What hurts me is that I actually understand this

I wouldn’t have had a fucking clue what you were saying about 4 months ago.

I miss Calculus...

It’s been too long.

Did someone summon me?
Yep

it’s time for your distemper shot.

Fuck you Poochie
Poochie's not a dog

He’s a cop

Oh boy this must mean I'm a mod!
There is a subfloor

and then a basement, and a subbasement, and perhaps a network of caves under that that lead to a deeper basement. There is no floor.

So you're saying this floor is a facade and both Cliff and Sex are headed to the DL?
And you know what's in those caves, don't you?
Buseygnomes?
This is the Seattle area, I'm guessing vampires.
You would be wrong.
I'd weigh in on this but I have some deck chairs that need shuffling instead.
What color are the chairs?
Non-existent
Ooh, where do they sell that color?
Sherwin Williams.
Crafty bastards.
Better than throwing them in the pool.
Langerhans ought to make a difference since there will be good reason to put him in the field against RHP

which puts Bradley at DH (bonus!) and Griffey on the bench (as planned!) and Sweeney without a role (extra bonus!). But, this remains to be seen.

Question:
Would a DH tandem of Brad Nelson and Tommy Everidge outperform our current two?

You would outperform our current two.
I don't know

I doubt I could even hit in low A ball. Like, at all.

I think a DH tandem of a Buseygnome and the kid from Rookie of the Year would be a better option.

At least he could draw a walk, plus I think Griffey is above taunting with “pitcher’s got a big butt” until a wild throw is made.

Dammit I want to hear a rumor that forces me to stay up the entire night.
When it comes to Z the lack of rumors is even more exciting.
Here's a rumor with no credibility whatsoever:

Rob Johnson is being DFA’d.

I don't think any of us are that lucky
The A's would sign him

He’d become an All Star.

Especially with Don Wakamatsu down there to mentor him.

Oh wait.

I don't think I even want that

I can’t really believe I just said that…

Felix loves the dopey bugger
First Bill Hall and now Eric Byrnes

this team fucking hates me

HE'S REALLY GONE :( :( :(
Shut the fuck up.

They dropped Chris Jakubauskas like a hot rock when they didn’t need the roster spot, and then Lance Berkman tried to put a baseball through his brain stem.
When Eric Byrnes gets a bat splinter through his larynx, THEN you can comment on the unfairness of life and the fragility of nature. Like any of us will remember Byrnes for more than the squeeze play and the fucking bike.

He missed that leaping catch at the wall in Chicago
Cost us the game, that bum.
OK, that was pretty hilarious. Good call.

It’s no ‘one-hitter-and-lose’ in Chicago, but yeah, I suppose I’ll remember that.

You were also the number one fan of Randy Messenger if I remember correctly.
Langerhans - WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan Langerhans.
That's a lot of roster moves. Hopefully it stirs up something good on offense.

Quite a few Rec’d posts in this thread too!

How about a bunch of upcoming wins for the Mariners next…

From Larry Stone...

“When we told him, he handled in in a tremendously professional manner. It’s never easy, but he was classy. He was disappointed, but I can’t say enough about how he handled it. He appreciated the opportunity to be here, and said he liked our team’s chances and would be cheering for us. He said he’s looking forward to what’s next, which he doesn’t know yet what it will be.’’

That’s good to hear (even though it literally doesn’t matter to us now at all). He was entertaining to watch, but I’m more excited about Langerhans.

I think he’s officially off my “hate with a burning passion” list now, good for him.

Oh, and it was Jack Z with the quote
He proceeded to hop on his Huffy and pedal off into the sunset
So long, dude.

Another over the hill RH free agent bat Jermaine Dye?
Yes I think that describes him perfectly.
My 3 Wishes

1. A Catcher that can catch.
2. A Left Fielder than can field.
3. A Designated Hitter that can hit.

This move improves two of those areas (at least against RHP) by moving Bradley to DH, Langerhans to LF, and leaving Griffey to be the glorified pinch hitter now that we have a backup shortstop. Against LHP, we’re still back to square one with Bradley in left and Sweeney at DH. And then, there’s still the aforementioned catcher position. Yuk!

Adam Moore can catch.

Comparatively, at least.

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