
Please come back. I'm sorry for all of the things that I said.
Times like this put me in a weird position.
I mean, I help run Lookout Landing, right? I'm one of the guys in charge of one of the most popular Mariner fan destinations on the internet. As such, you'd think I'd be some kind of fan to the max. A superfan, if you will. Not one of them phony Superfans from Boston College that doesn't know shit about shit about sports. A real superfan. A fan who still believes. A fan who still cares. A fan who still cares more than he cares about anything else. A fan who lives and dies with his team, a fan who shrieks when his team wins and screams when they don't. A fan who doesn't give up until it really is too late, and a fan who, even then, pulls for his players like he watched them be born.
I'm not that fan, though. By this point, I've become more of an observer. I watched the Jays climb on top. I watched the M's try to rally. I watched Gutierrez strike out. I watched Sweeney pop out. I watched Griffey pinch-hit. I watched Sweeney flail once more. I watched all of these things, and they passed over me without sinking in. None of them registered as significant events. They were just events, events along the road to the conclusion of events. As Sweeney's ball flew, my eyebrows were raised, but as it settled into a glove I entered a zero into my spreadsheet and moved right along with nary a frown nor a whimper. The Mariners lost a close game tonight. I observed it.
That's weird to me. It makes me feel like a bad fan. It makes me feel like an inferior fan to all of those people saying "it's just 5.5 games," or "it's just 6.5 games," or "it's just 7.5 games," or "it's just 8.5 games." The emotional investment I put in a few weeks ago is gone, and when I think about it, it makes me feel like a quitter. "What kind of fan are you?" my brain asks. "Why do you spend so much time thinking about something seemingly bereft of emotional upside?"
Of course, my brain's the one responsible for this in the first place, so I don't know where he gets off asking questions. And the way I make sense of it is by reminding myself that there are a lot of other people like me. A lot of other people who watched the Mariners fall from 14-25 to 14-26 and didn't bat an eye. Sure, there are those who'll keep pointing at the calendar, but the number of those people drops by the day. The fan base is losing its investment. If my role is to keep my thumb on the pulse of the fans, then this emotional distance seems to be right on the mark.
Had you asked me before the year, I would've told you that I wouldn't be ready to not care by the middle of May, but here we are, and it turns out I'm ready, indeed. It's not because I wanted this. I'd never want this. But it is painless, and painlessness is a positive quality. So what if there are people who haven't given up? Who's to say they're better fans? Perhaps it's the distance in times of struggle that's the true mark of devotion. It's certainly the true mark of experience. It's a defense mechanism that's evolved out of having been through this before, and most Mariner fans have been through this before.
It's May 19th. The Mariners lost a close game tonight. I observed it. I do still care. I think that much is plainly evident. But I care more about the team and less about the outcomes. The outcomes, at this point, are meaningless to me, and they'll remain that way unless we somehow climb back into the race. The Mariners lost a close game tonight. I observed it. It was an entertaining game that came down to the last pitch. And for me, right now, that's enough.
- Milton Bradley came back today. He mentioned in a pregame interview that he'd been receiving get well cards from fans while he was out, and when he came up for his first at bat, he got a pretty loud - and positive - ovation. I gotta say, while I was confident that the organization would be a good fit for Bradley, I wasn't so sure how he'd fit in with the fan base. Turns out he fits in just fine. Granted, we don't know how things would've gone had Bradley actually been a part of our team-wide meltdown, but people by and large seem pretty forgiving and warm, which is all you could ask. Seattle's doing a little too much to support one Ken Griffey Jr., but it's doing a terrific job of supporting Milton Bradley.
- Bill Krueger was in the booth replacing Dave Niehaus tonight, which is kind of like replacing the birds outside your window with a talking but irrational jackhammer. A fun project would be listening to a game with Krueger in the booth, transcribing every word he says, and arguing against every single thing he gets wrong. It would also be the last ten hours of both my life and, most likely, Bill Krueger's.
- Krueger on a close play at first base: "Everybody gets on the umpires, Dave, but they get most of them correct." It's good to know that umpires get more than 50% of their calls correct. That makes them better than a nickel. I know if I were looking to hire somebody to make a lot of important decisions, my first question in the interview would be, are you better than a nickel?
- In the middle innings, and particularly when Doug Fister was struggling through a 30-pitch fourth, the broadcast remarked that this wasn't really Doug Fister pitching like himself. This was Doug Fister pitching like himself. This was Doug Fister pitching so much like himself that one wonders if Doug Fister is a 6'8 robot programmed with one single setting. You know what Fister did? Fister threw a lot of strikes, allowed a lot of contact, and kept a fair number of balls on the ground. A pitcher like that will have 30-pitch innings like the fourth, and he'll have four-pitch innings like the seventh.
This was the fourth time that Fister has thrown eight innings this season. Four times out of eight starts. Obviously a huge factor in that is luck, as he's running a tiny BABIP and a tinier home run rate, but one would expect a guy who doesn't issue walks to throw a lot of innings, and Fister's no exception. He's the sort that managers love, even when he struggles.
- By leverage score, Mike Sweeney had the two most critical plate appearances of the night. His second, with two on and two out in the ninth, had an LI of 6.4, by far the highest mark of the game. Let's look at that at bat, shall we? Sweeney took a couple fastballs outside to get ahead 2-0. That's good. The average hitter posted a 1.023 OPS after 2-0 a year ago. At this point, Sweeney was in a favorable position, and he should've been looking dead red for a fastball he could drive. At 2-0, you can afford to take a pitch if it isn't a pitch you know you can punish.
Kevin Gregg buried a 2-0 changeup down in the dirt. Mike Sweeney swung.
I don't really care about the rest of the at bat. Sweeney swung at a couple borderline pitches and ended up flying out to end the game. He hit it hard. Whatever. We know he can hit the ball hard. The point of this section is to note that, holy crap, that was a huge mistake, and a product of Sweeney's overaggressiveness and lack of a good eye. You can't swing at that pitch. You can't. Not when your only job is to hit.
Mike Sweeney is a hacker. For some reason, Mike Sweeney is a hacker, and when your only positive attribute - your only positive attribute - is your ability to hit strikes pretty hard, hacking's a negative.
- Griffey pinch-hit for Josh Wilson to lead off the ninth. Pinch-hitting makes sense, as Wilson is both bad and shares the same hand as Kevin Gregg. And, okay, Ryan Langerhans might still have that elbow issue limiting his ability to swing (although you'd think they would've put him on the DL rather than send Sean White down if it were a real problem). But there was still Michael Saunders, and anyone that tries to tell me that Ken Griffey Jr. is a bigger threat than Michael Saunders right now deserves black mold in his lungs. The extended standing ovation was cool, provided you allowed yourself to get whisked a dozen years to the past, but then Junior swung and brought everyone back to the miserable, disheartening present.
- Josh Bard hit three deep fly balls to the outfield today, and one to right field.
- Offensively, it was a good return for Milton Bradley. He saw 24 pitches in four trips to the plate, hit a couple balls hard, and made up for a line drive out with an infield single off the plate. Defensively, though, his mediocre range and route-running skills were made readily apparent on a number of occasions, and something something we're terrible it doesn't matter
- Chone Figgins, April: 77% contact
Chone Figgins, May: 86% contact
Chone Figgins, Career: 86% contact
Sure enough, Figgins' early-season strikeout slump appears to be a thing of the past, which leaves us with him just hitting worse balls in play. And, good news: the balls in play, at least visually, seem to be getting better, with his game tonight highlighted by a solid RBI single to center. I'm feeling pretty confident in saying that Chone Figgins is coming around, and though it's probably too late for him to save our season, it is reassuring to not think of him as a possible albatross. I'm not saying we've averted disaster, but I feel a lot better now with regard to Figgins than I did a little while ago.
- In case people think I've put too much blame on Griffey and Sweeney again, Franklin Gutierrez's strikeout in the seventh inning was bad. His catch in the fifth, however, was spectacular.
I've still got a tiny, niggling part of me that hopes this team rips off a ten-game win streak to get back in it.
But, still, a 10-game winning streak starting tomorrow wouldn’t even get the Mariners to 500.
craig3410 - May 20, 2010
That's the sad part... Even another 7 - 2 homestand would just bring them halfway back to .500
seattlesundevil - May 20, 2010
1973 cardinals
Started the season 0-5, 1-12 and 5-20 after 25 games.
They were a game under .500 by game 49. By game 66 they finally made it to .500. They were 11 games over .500 by August 5th, 1973 game number 111, which was the second game of a double header sweep of the Mets. That left the Mets 48-60, 11 1/2 games behind teh Cards.
The Cards ended the season 81-81. A game and a half behind the Ya Gotta Believe Mets.
In the AL West this year, I think everything is still wide open. That Cards team was way back at this stage, went way ahead, and then ended up in almost a dead heat with a Mets team which was deep below .500 in August. Things can flip-flo twice before this season is over.
Now, if the M’s can get Cleon Jones healthy and Tug Mcgraw pitching like…wait, I mean if they ditch Griffey and find a catcher who can catch League’s splitter, things may start to look up.
wobatus - May 20, 2010
I just want another baseball player named Cleon
pdb - May 20, 2010
Or another movie star
named Cleavon.
I was a big Cleon fan. I remember as a kid when he got caught naked in a van with a woman who was not his wife during Spring Training. Around the same time as the Mike Kekich/Fritz Peterson wife and family swapping. Hey man, the ’70s were a little confusing for a kid, but sounds like the adults had some fun.
wobatus - May 20, 2010
I fell alseep around 6:30
I woke up and heard “And Thats the ballgame, The mariners lose”. Why the hell did i wake up?
bagsflyfree - May 20, 2010
I heard the same thing while I was still asleep.
The suckitude is ruining my dreams!
thebyron - May 20, 2010
That's what Griffey said
Bearskin Rugburn - May 20, 2010
Too easy
Bearskin Rugburn - May 20, 2010
This team is getting closer to the point where it can win ballgames again.
And I look forward to it!
ThundaPC - May 20, 2010
Is it getting closer?
We’ve been losing games like this since the White Sox series. The team will be getting closer when it starts making good decisions in regards to the roster. Adding Milton Bradley for Sean White is a step, I guess.
Kenneth Arthur - May 20, 2010
Hence, closer!
TheBishop - May 20, 2010
I can't fault anyone for not being emotionally invested in the outcomes of a 14-26 team
It seems like the casual Mariner fan already checked out, or it’ll take a lot to get them back into the season. It is what it is, unfortunately.
bomdal - May 20, 2010
I had a little hope that Gutierrez would bomb one into the bullpens for a walk-off win.
And then he walked, giving way to Sweeney and I thought “aw, damn. Well, maybe he can get a base hit?”
Two Rs and Two Ls - May 20, 2010
I know the season is not over
Yet realistically, I know teams don’t come back from 8.5 game deficits too often, even in May. However, if the team really wants me to keep watching games they need to keep Krueger out of the broadcast booth. I don’t care if Niehaus takes the night off and Dave Sims has to fly solo on the TV broadcast. It beats having someone inanely chirp things like, “Doug Fister has really shown me something today.”
Gihyou - May 20, 2010
They had Buhner there I believe so Kreuger was pretty redundant.
Mariner John - May 20, 2010
At least Buhner I will never hate.
Because I still have a buzz night t-shirt in my closet.
FairWeatherFred - May 20, 2010
Next year I think we should just skip May
We’ve had a .394 winning percentage in May over the last 5 years and we’re currently 3-13 for the month. I hate May.
MT Olson - May 20, 2010
Well, we sucked last May and pulled through...
And finished with 85 wins and this team is better than last years by far… clings to irrational hope
hiskeyd - May 20, 2010
Sorry Jeff.
CapSea - May 20, 2010
and Matthew.
CapSea - May 20, 2010
Dave did this excercise in his post a couple days ago
but I made a chart which I posted below. The graph shows what the M’s record should be depending on how good of a team you think the Mariners are. Basically the x-axis is a team’s true talent win projection for a season or in other words how many games a team should win over a whole season. I used the M’s current record and remaining games in the season to compute the line. If the M’s want to finish the season with 81 wins they need to play the rest of the season like an 89 win team. If they want to win 90 games they need to play like a 100 win team. If they continue with their current pace they will end up a 57 win team. Finally, if they play like an 81 win team (probably realistic I hope) they will win 75 games this year
Edgar for Pres - May 20, 2010
I could see this team playing like a 90 win team if some things started breaking the right way
like certain people’s kneecaps.
I mean, I’m not saying…. I’m just saying.
Two Rs and Two Ls - May 20, 2010
I know a guy who's very reasonable.
Well, his prices are. Him, not so much…
sooper jeenyus - May 20, 2010
The trouble is, we need to actually win 90 games to win the division.
lailaihei - May 20, 2010
"Sweeney" is currently a Twitter trending topic in Seattle.
Surprisingly, as I look through the tweets there are lots of other Sweeney’s (Todd, Bob, ect.), but there was only one of the first 40 tweets that was referring to Mike Sweeney.
That’s right….Mike Sweeny can’t even get hits on Twitter.
SethGrandpa - May 20, 2010
Each individual Mariner loss has stopped hurting, but that they suck so bad hasn't stopped hurting.
If that makes sense.
Mothy - May 20, 2010
But., but...BELIEVE BIG!
How long before they abandon that terrible slogan?
OceanBird - May 20, 2010
I think they'll keep it as long as Griffey is on the team.
They want us to believe in Griffey’s BIG fat belly…
micky D - May 20, 2010
They meant "Believe Big... In Losing"
The last part was just cut off because it didn’t fit on the promotional poster.
hiskeyd - May 20, 2010
I understand your fan feeling
How many years has the season gone like this? Pretty much mathematically eliminated by Mother’s Day again. The real difference was, probably like you, I start most seasons with optimism – this year more than most – or at least more than about the past 5 years – and they have managed to almost go out of their way to find new and inventive ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Henry H - May 20, 2010
"Pretty much mathematically eliminated by Mother’s Day"
Curse you, Mother’s Day!!!
Or am I perhaps misinterpreting your preposition?
Nadingo - May 20, 2010
Sweeny's last at-bat.
… I’m not arguing for him to be kept around, but I thought that his last at-bat was pretty good. He got up 2-0, the second ball on a check swing that he held. The first strike, if memory serves, was also a check swing that well could have been ruled as a held check swing. The second strike sucked, but then he fouled a few off before showing off his warning track power. So, really, he was only an either-way check swing from going 3-0 in that AB.
Gekko Mojo - May 20, 2010
There's no reason to hack at garbage 2-0
Poochie - May 20, 2010
Sweeney issued a good result in that at-bat
But between this one and his bases-loaded debacle vs. the Angels, Sweeney seems desperate to get the big hit when the game is on the line, which means he ends up hacking worse than usual. There was an at-bat in the 6th where he worked a 3-2 count swinging only at strikes before foul-tipping it. Aside from the strikeout that seems to be the optimum Sweeney at-bat.
ThundaPC - May 20, 2010
He check swinged at a ball in the dirt.
In. the. dirt. on 2-0.
That’s bad. That is so bad it is unspinnable.
Matthew - May 20, 2010
Its a change up though. That happens. He can't tell the difference between a changeup and a fastball like 90% of hitters.
In general he hacks too much. In that at bat he got a ball he could drive and he did. Its hard to classify that as a bad at bat.
Edgar for Pres - May 20, 2010
But he can tell if a ball is in the dirt or at the knees, I assume
oh wait no he can’t
pdb - May 20, 2010
And we get to watch him DH against today!
seriously Wak Bradley at DH Saunders in left. This isn’t that complicated.
wetzelcoal - May 20, 2010
again*
wetzelcoal - May 20, 2010
I'm not saying he's good but the pitcher is trying to fool a batter with any offspeed pitch.
Sweeney also sucks at pitch recognition. That doesn’t automatically make him a bad hitter (he’s not good though). This is the hitter he is and always was. Getting angry at a guy for playing like he has played in the past 15 years is fine but we shouldn’t be surprised or think its a recent change. I expected his power to fade away this year so he is actually surprising me a little. I thought it was going to be much worse.
Edgar for Pres - May 20, 2010
He knows the pitcher wasn't throwing anything resembling strikes
Doesn’t really matter what the pitcher throws, do not swing
OlSalty - May 20, 2010
Change ups do not have three feet of vertical difference.
Matthew - May 20, 2010
There's absolutely no defending that at-bat, especially for Sweeney.
sanford_and_son - May 20, 2010
I was standing when Griffey came to bat
But only so I could see the game over the asshole down front who was trying to get his friends to start the wave.
I was glad I was there, though, as watching that mess on TV would have been boring. At least this way I got fish and chips, and a few nice photos.
section331 - May 20, 2010
Wak needs to go
I’ve been wondering all season why so-and-so is on the roster, hitting in a certain spot, running the team out of scoring opportunities, pitching in certain situations, etc. These guys are performing so poorly I was thinking that the easiest place to start fixing the team was the DH. I now believe that the place to start is getting rid of Wak. We have lost so many games because of his game management. He seems like a nice guy but he sure can’t put a lineup or bench together, handle middle relief, and is too aggressive on the base paths. Adding to that, last night, men on 1st and 2nd, down 3-2 and he has Ichiro bunting! About the only guy on the team who isn’t an automatic out trying to move the guys to the next station. What are the chances of the next 2 guys getting a hit and tying the game up? Based on recent history, not good. Fire Wak!
ptpine - May 20, 2010
Ichiro tends to do that on his own.
Teej - May 20, 2010
I agree, screw all these has-beens and never-beens being our managers.
Ichiro for player/manager. I won’t be satisfied with any substitutes.
lailaihei - May 20, 2010
The funny thing is I sincerely believe we have a lot of retired M's tied to the organization that would make decent managerial/coaching staff.
Ichiro would be awesome, and he is remarkably intelligent. As much as I know you’re joking…do you think focusing on other people’s games would be a detriment to his own tunnel vision success? I do.
Dan Wilson just got a degree in business. Think we could show him run expectancy tables and ask him to put his (albeit limited) economics training to use for the sake of game theory in management? Gar was one of the greatest hitters ever; certainly he might be able to recognize a good pitcher over
a bad oneSean White?harkening - May 20, 2010
Blame on Griff/Sweeney
I think your very last point hits upon an important issue regarding “too much blame”. You pointed out Guti’s defense, as a counterbalance to his strikeout tonight.
I believe that casual fans don’t really pay attention to (or understand) defense. And even if they appreciate it, they don’t make the connection that a good defense can directly make up for a lower offensive output.
Making that connection is precisely why folks here tend to appreciate some of our position players more than casual fans do. The casual fan looks at the number of hits we’ve been getting and the number of runs we’ve been scoring, and maybe at players’ batting averages, and they just say “wow this whole team is sucking”. And if all they see is a lot of sucky batters all lined up together, is it any wonder why they fall back upon the career record of Griffey and think he’s the best hope for some slugging/scoring? They simply don’t understand that there are differences in how a player makes an out with the bat, and what a detriment it is to have Griffey (and Sweeney) unable to play in the field.
How Wak and Z can not know these things is beyond me, though! And that’s where I get upset. Even if Wak isn’t a smart manager, Z has proven that he’s a smart guy. You simply don’t make the kind of off-season moves that he’s made without being smart. Stupid decisions by a smart individual a just aggravating, period!
(side-note: Didn’t Z bring Wak to the organization? So wouldn’t it be a bit bruising for Z to give Wak the heave-ho? Argh!)
NWade - May 20, 2010
I hate losing as much as the next person
But at least this time there is genuine hope that we won’t be raped by a cosmic baseball raptor, or whatever.
I’m trying to look at it this way, we should be competitors in a couple of years if not not year, so I’m just trying to
enjoy the mariners baseball that we have all grown up with before we become 7 time world series champs by 2023.
OceanBird - May 20, 2010 via mobile
......Wut.
sanford_and_son - May 20, 2010
And I want a magic pony that drops golden coins in my hand as it flies
pdb - May 20, 2010
Those aren't gold coins...
section331 - May 20, 2010
No, that's the pony I currently have
the one I want drops gold coins and is about as attainable as those 7 WS championships in 13 years.
pdb - May 20, 2010
Each game is a microchosm of the season.
You feel like when you’re watching the games, they’re going to lose. But in the ninth inning, with 2 on and 2 out and down by one, you still have hope that something amazing happens and they’ll pull it out. And when they don’t, you’re still disappointed.
And if you’re still disappointed, you haven’t given up on the season Jeff, or anyone else. You’re just in denial of your hope because empty hope sucks.
Kenneth Arthur - May 20, 2010
:(
Mariner John - May 20, 2010
Its not Wak's fault
Nor is it Z’s. This team under performs like a Seattle sports team (let that sink in). This Mariners team is full of unrealized potential. Yes, its Wak that send out White to pitch in clutch situations. However, its not Wak’s fault that this team is half injured, half offensively anemic, part GutIchiro. Firing Wak doesn’t fix Figgin’s average on balls in play. It doesn’t fix the fact that Johnson, Langerhans, Jo Wilson, Ja Wilson, Tui, Kotchman and Lopez can’t hit reliably. Firing Wak doesn’t fix Mark Lowe’s back, or make Aardsma have better control, or make Jesus Colome not suck. This was always a team that was only going to the playoffs in an everything works out best case scenario. That never happened, and perhaps we should never have expected it to. We knew this team would be competitive, and they are (somewhat), but we also knew just being competitive would never be enough.
E2ESQUARE - May 20, 2010
This whole run has been offensive because it appears as if those who are running the team aren't even trying
Poochie - May 20, 2010
Okay, for one Langerhans isn't incapable of hitting.
Here’s why it is Wak’s fault:
1. Consistently puts Sweeney and Griffey not only in the lineup at all but at #4 or #5 in the order. Which leads to stuff like last night.
2. Uses the bullpen terribly. Uses Sean White too much in high leverage situations, League too much overall, forgets we have Texeira and Kelley
3. Sticking with the same batting order all the god damn time. Figgins could have moved to 9 at some point. Lopez bats clean up far too often. Aforementioned DH problems
4. Pinch hitting with Griffey ever.
The lack of hitting talent we have is exacerbated by the shitty management decisions.
Mariner John - May 20, 2010
Guess what?
Wak’s stupid decisions are easily fixable thorugh human intervention. Chone Figgins and Jose Lopez’s bad luck on balls in play isn’t.
seattlebruin - May 20, 2010
A decent chunk of the blame rest of Wak's consistently dumb line-up decisions.
It’s not all his fault, but he is not blame-free.
sanford_and_son - May 20, 2010
This is a thread full of belief in the feet.
Sad.
CapSea - May 20, 2010
don't be footist
pdb - May 20, 2010
Defeatist!
CapSea - May 20, 2010
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