See, this here puts me in a funny position.
It's low to delight in another player's injury. Unsportsmanlike, if you will. And, in some ways, it can be an acknowledgment of inferiority. To root for a player to get hurt or to cheer when he does is not only insensitive - it can carry with it the unspoken message that, yeah, now the team is more beatable. It may imply a lack of confidence in your team's ability to beat the other at full strength.
But of all the ways to get hurt...everybody celebrates walk-off homers in the same way, so it's not like the Angels were being exceptionally boastful, but to get hurt after jumping into the pile? To get hurt badly? Although it may not seem like it, baseball is a dangerous sport. People can get injured at any moment, whether by throwing a pitch, or getting hit by one, or diving, or running, or sliding, or anything. There are few points in a baseball game where you can observe a certain circumstance and say, okay, from a health perspective, this is completely safe. Celebrating a dramatic win, ordinarily, is one of those moments. The game is over. There's no need to exert. So watching Kendry Morales crumple into a twisted heap the instant he steps on home plate - it's so ridiculous, so absurd as to be comical.
Injuries are an unfortunate reality, but that doesn't mean that some of them can't be funny. Rick Honeycutt cut himself on the mound with a thumbtack. Bill Gramatica. Ricky Bones went on the DL after hurting himself watching TV. Charlie Hough broke his pinkie shaking hands. Kendry Morales didn't take a line drive off the skull. He didn't get beaned in the face. Kendry Morales apparently hurt his ankle. He's going to be fine. And it's the fact that he'll make a full, normal recovery that allows us to laugh at his ludicrous injury without the slightest tinge of guilt. He hurt himself celebrating his own home run.
So maybe it isn't the classiest thing in the world to joke. Morales is a person, after all. This is his job. He has teammates, and coaches, and a season on the line. And family, too. Kendry Morales isn't laughing. For Kendry Morales, this totally sucks. But so what? Since when are fans under some obligation to be 100% classy, all of the time? This situation is funny. It's funny. Again, he's not in any real danger. At worst, he, what, broke a bone? Tore a ligament? It isn't severe, and his isn't a career that depends on his footspeed. He'll be fine, which allows us to joke. It isn't funny because Kendry Morales is really good. It's funny because Kendry Morales hurt himself celebrating his own home run.
If anything, now we're even. The M's have had to deal with injuries to Cliff Lee and Jack Wilson. The Rangers have had to deal with injuries to Nelson Cruz and Ian Kinsler. The A's have had to deal with injuries to Brett Anderson and 75% of the rest of the roster. The Angels have had Brian Fuentes and a host of bad catchers. It was their turn. It's too bad that Kendry Morales had to get hurt, but it's too bad that all those other players had to get hurt, too, and at least this one gets us all caught up.
Injuries - like a lot of things in life - we would all prefer to not have be a normal part of living. But they are, and if you can't find the humor in unfortunate situations, you're in for a rough road. I do feel bad for Angels fans, a little bit. Especially Ms. Jeff. Kendry Morales is really good. A struggling team never wants to lose a good player. If the same thing happened to Gutierrez or Ichiro, though, I'm certain that, once I got over the initial shock, I'd look back on it as one of the most bizarre and hilarious points in the season. So what if that's cold? This is sports. Sports don't matter. Sports are entertainment, and this afternoon, I was entertained.
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I laughed at my friend when he broke his ankle doing something stupid
I don’t see how this is any different
Cantu Easley Winn - May 29, 2010
If Griffey were to walk-off like this someday, I'd be perfectly okay if the Angels were laughing
Heck, I’d laugh too
Allen Wu - May 29, 2010
I agree
and not that you say otherwise, but given the choice, I would have preferred a win.
Matthew - May 29, 2010
That would have been nice
Jeff Sullivan - May 29, 2010
Could've gained more ground :(
Jeff Sullivan - May 29, 2010
We get to reclaim every square meter that Morales rolled around on in agony,
desperately hoping he’d be able to run again soon while knowing deep down that he’d be on the road to a painful and slow rehabilitation process while also dooming his team to a similar fate.
abender20 - May 29, 2010
Is... is that a ragged stump where a foot ought to be? I don't understand.
MLB blacked out the game and I couldn’t watch.
Bearskin Rugburn - May 29, 2010
Also,
I understand how annoying gif requests are and have never, in my memory, submitted one but this sounds like it might match sad K-Rod. So, if you have the time and inclination, I know I’d be much obliged.
Bearskin Rugburn - May 29, 2010
Screw gifs.
Here is video.
h/t faceplant_04
Wilder. - May 29, 2010
Retracted
Bearskin Rugburn - May 29, 2010
You're looking at his heel
Corco - May 29, 2010
MLB decided to covertly liven up the game by replacing home plate with a bear trap.
JAH - May 29, 2010
Amen. Preach to me, brosef.
wyte_lightning - May 29, 2010
Kendry of Epirus
Bearskin Rugburn - May 29, 2010
Angels have banned all home plate celebrations
How will they celebrate if they make the playoffs, I wonder.
Fuckmikereilly - May 29, 2010
They will set up tables around home plate and have biscuits and tea.
Wilder. - May 29, 2010
Get in a car and go celebrate at a nightclub in Fullerton
seattlebruin - May 30, 2010 via mobile
Roy Halladay-Perfection
What an amazing pitcher.
Goose - May 29, 2010
And he didn't break his ankle in the celebration!
Gihyou - May 29, 2010
Jayson Stark always has a EoS recap of the most absurd/strangest injuries of the year
It’s hard not to laugh at those (e.g. one pitcher injured himself one year when he overextended his arm to hit the snooze button). I suspect Morales will be mentioned too.
baetown415 - May 29, 2010
My personal favorite...
John Smoltz tried to iron his shirt while it was on his body. Burned his chest and had to go on the DL.
E-Lizz - May 29, 2010
Heyman says broken ankle.
MFAN - May 29, 2010
Bad break indeed.
…
…
Bhahahahahahaha!
Wilder. - May 29, 2010
Haha! Dance now, you overpaid clown!
But seriously, get better in time for Christmas Kendry. Just not much earlier.
Jon S. - May 29, 2010 via mobile
Kaz Sasaki suitcase mishap comes to mind.
Omerta - May 29, 2010
What about the wrestling one where he fell on a table?
kennerdoloman - May 29, 2010
Dearest members of Halo Heaven,
I have a fairly good grasp of your general level of reading comprehension so I’ll make this easy. We aren’t laughing at the fact that Kendry Morales broke his ankle. That would be mean. We’re enjoying the circumstances around which that broken ankle occurred.
abender20 - May 29, 2010
Dude, circumstances is too big of a word
Corco - May 29, 2010
They'll just think he means circumcision
What, with them all being as mature as eleven year olds and all.
OceanBird - May 30, 2010
Are you saying that all latino players
are stupid?
Bearskin Rugburn - May 29, 2010
Not sure why you were bothering there
But wow
Griffin Cooper - May 29, 2010
And so is the rest of the world.
Not just Mariner fans or the members of LL.
Wilder. - May 29, 2010
Exactly.
OldhamA - May 29, 2010
Irony is funny.
Boz86 - May 29, 2010
Don't speak for everyone here
go back and read some of the comments for yourself. I don’t need to start a war of words, nor do I want to, but this is a poor excuse for a defense. Some people may laugh at the circumstance (which still really isn’t much defense), but comments like, say, (and I quote) “AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THAT MOTHERFUCKER IS BROKEN” aren’t laughter at the circumstance…they’re grim, morbid satisfaction being taken in the extent of the suffering endured by an opposing player. There’s no suggestion anywhere in many of these comments that people thought “ha, what a way to break an ankle during a celebration!”
I have my own penchant for laughing at some macabre shit from time to time, so I can laugh at a dumbshit injuring himself by ironing a shirt he was wearing with the best of them. But there are more than enough people in the main thread taking a whole lot of satisfaction and happiness out of the injury itself (saying “I’m so fucking happy right now,” nearly verbatim, or “this is the best loss ever”) for whom a lot of the Angel fan ire is directed at. Nevermind the completely out-of-line comment about Nick Adenhart being in hell right now.
Defend your own personal take on it all you want. If you think the circumstance itself was funny, fine, whatever. Draw that distinction. But it doesn’t take much reading to see your sentiment is certainly not the same as everyone else’s, no matter what they say.
Caseys Kiss of Death - May 30, 2010
I'm so fucking happy right now.
Teej - May 30, 2010
This doesn't seem right at all
LL is obviously an off-color community, but had Morales, say, gotten hit in the head or broken his leg making a play like Nick Johnson, I guarantee you would not have seen the same reaction.
It was entirely because of the circumstance. The injury isn’t funny. Nobody would tell you the injury is funny. The circumstance in which the injury took place is wild.
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
Thanks for holding up your end of the deal.
abender20 - May 30, 2010
Well said.
How can you not laugh at unbelievable injuries? I feel for Morales personally, but the way in which this happened is one of the most entertaining baseball stories this year.
E-Lizz - May 29, 2010
I laughed when I heard about it.
And I’d be lying if I said I didn’t laugh a tiny bit harder because it was an Angel.
Teej - May 29, 2010
Honestly
I didn’t take as much joy as some at the injury. That being said, I did get some satisfaction from it. Is celebrating that someone got injured right? No, and I feel a little bad for even feeling that at the time. But I doubt any true baseball fan out there wouldn’t celebrate.
Kendry Morales just hit a fucking walkoff grand slam. Every fan knows how shitty walkoff victories feel, and a walkoff grand slam?! Against a team you really hate? If you aren’t fucking enraged by that, then you aren’t a fan. And to have that player injure himself while celebrating your pain?
If any Angels fan says they wouldn’t take some joy in that scenario, they’re flat-out lying.
Fuckmikereilly - May 30, 2010
Well
I’m not gonna act perfect and say I wouldn’t, but I’d like to think that once I realized the severity of the injury, I would never say anything about a deceased player in hell, or anything about that deceased player. That’s where it sort of crossed the line, at least for me.
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010
No disagreements here.
Fuckmikereilly - May 30, 2010
Please nobody act in such a way as to make me bust out the angry stick.
And I’m looking very sternly at LL members here. If someone if legitimately trolling, flag it and leave it be. Do not engage with trolls. If someone is not trolling, then be respectful.
Matthew - May 30, 2010
Honestly, I can't find any joy in a guy getting injured, no matter who he plays for.
I’m not particularly impressed with some of the things people said in the game thread about it either, but a certain amount of it is just the way LL is.
I’m a little disappointed to see people trying to turn this into another blogwar though, and I hope it doesn’t continue, for the sake of us all in general and Jeff and Matthew’s blood pressure in particular.
Jeff Nye - May 30, 2010
I agree with this
I’d rather it not be a blog war…but many of the things said, particularly the remark(s) about Adenhart, are so absolutely absurd that they shouldn’t go without comment…and it was the members of LL who were first to note that they knew this was a blogwar waiting to happen when they started it. No one cares when one or two boobs say something stupid on another blog…but when it becomes a cascade of comments pouring in by the dozen, SUPPORTED by the blog runner and perpetuated by essay threads trying to defend the “hilarity” of the moment, then it’s going to receive some (deserved) backlash.
Caseys Kiss of Death - May 30, 2010
You're extending Jeff's explanation at the beginning of this post to hilarious extremes.
He explained exactly why he is amused. And try to take your own pain at it being your guy that’s hurt out of things for a moment; the guy BROKE HIS ANKLE JUMPING ONTO HOME BASE TO CELEBRATE A HOME RUN.
It’s an absolutely ludicrous way to injure yourself, and while my personal feelings are slightly different, laughing at the situation is completely justifiable, and those who are amused by it aren’t some sort of monsters.
But you’re taking Jeff’s explanation and turning that into implicit support for everything that everyone said in the game thread and other associated threads, which I’m not sure is fair.
And even if he and the other mods support every single thing that was said…well, so what? Again, it’s a different community, a different “culture” if you will, and you’re showing up and demanding that this community conform to your personal standards. It’s not going to happen, and the way you’re going about it is quite possibly the most confrontational one you could choose.
In any case, you’ve showed up and you’ve said your peace. We’re all aware that you in specific and the Angels blog community in general think LL is uncouth. Thank you for your feedback, and now we’d appreciate it if you’d move along.
Jeff Nye - May 30, 2010
You didn't really read what I said
First of all, Jeff said a number of things in the main thread that were beyond merely laughing at the circumstance, so no, I wasn’t extending his specific above post to cover for his tacit support of the things said by others…I was using his own words in the game thread for that purpose.
Second, I’m not here to lecture anyone or demand conformity to my standards of decency. Hell, I barely have fucking standards of decency. Your community has its (well-deserved) reputation for having, well, I’ll call them “e-sociopaths.” That’s fine, whatever. My point wasn’t for you to all buck up, change course, and find Jesus. I merely came along to note that: a) the Angels fans flocking over here are certainly within reason to be upset (not even me specifically), and no one should be surprised, and b) the need of certain LL members to try to defend the words from the game threads are not only totally pointless (if you said what you did in the thread, you certainly shouldn’t much care what someone thinks of your character), but many of them are patently untrue, half-hearted efforts to draw distinctions where there are none.
Basically, say what you will about Kendry’s injury (because we all know you will), but don’t bother defending it just because you want to save face when that was never a concern of yours in the first place when you made the comments. I just think it’s better to let your initial words speak for yourself than to try to mitigate the “damage” by pretending your comment was something it wasn’t later on. It’s just far more respectable.
Caseys Kiss of Death - May 30, 2010
You very clearly had a negative opinion of LL already
That you came here seeking to reinforce. Otherwise, why would you even be aware of what people are saying here about the Morales injury? As far as I can tell, no one from LL went there and posted “HA HA MORALES BROKE HIS ANKLE MAYBE HE’S GOING TO DIE AND JOIN ADENHART IN HELL”.
Again, I’m not that proud to be associated with some of the things that were said in the game thread myself, but unless you’re a member of the LL community, it’s quite frankly none of your business and you lecturing from the mountaintop is just going to antagonize people more.
(not to mention that some of the things being said at HH right now aren’t the classiest in the world; it’d be good to get your own house in order before complaining about the cars on cinderblocks on our front lawn)
Jeff Nye - May 30, 2010
So the only way I could have possibly been aware of what was going on over here was because I came over here on a self-fulfilling prophecy crusade of my own accord?
Really? You sure it has nothing to do with the hundred or so comments made on HH (by HH’ers) about what was going on over on LL before I made my first post over here? I didn’t come over here to seek out and reinforce a pre-conceived notion about you people. I came here because every single HHers in the Kendry threads for the last 9 hours has been talking you guys up, and I came over to see it first hand (or via link when given).
Enough with this “community” crap though. Not only am I NOT lecturing morals over here (for the umpteenth time), but this idea that, if you’re not part of some regularly posting inner-circle of folks who happen to like the same sports team then you have no right to expect (expecting and demanding being two important things to draw a distinction between) those people to have some level of basic human civility is just stupid. One does not have to like the Mariners and post with you guys to reasonably expect that, just on a basic human level, you would not celebrate and joke about the death of a 22 year old kid on the sole basis of him having been drafted by an opposing team.
Do I particularly care? No, it’s pretty damn far down my list of things to care about right now in life. Do I need to preach morals about it? I barely have any of own, thanks very much. But on the most basic level of humanity, is it really so wrong for a couple of folks (whose “outsider” status is actually just as paper thin as choosing not to post with frequency somewhere on the internet) to expect another group of folks to have some shred of civility? I’d like to think not.
So I hate to split hairs here, but really…I’m not preaching morals. I’m not demanding reform. I’m not even calling names to this point. Heck, I think I’ve been about as civil as anyone on HH has ever seen me. All I’ve taken issue with are the inconsistencies in character of your posters and, after that fact, the need to get hair-splittingly defensive with me over petty points of contention done for no other purpose than the continuation of argument.
Caseys Kiss of Death - May 30, 2010
No one here celebrated the death of Nick Adenhart
If you search the archives, you’ll find we were all shocked and saddened at his death, as were the entire MLB and SBN communities.
The insinuation that Nick Adenhart jokes mean we find humor or joy from the death of a 22-year old only reinforce that you, as a member of the Halos Heaven community, are not familiar with the tone of the Lookout Landing community, which is often one of deliberate shock humor. We understand these jokes are NOT appropriate and morally reprehensible. That’s the point. It doesn’t have any bearing on our actual opinions on these manners.
This is mostly unrelated to the Kendry Morales discussion, but it is where, I believe, many HHer’s took offense.
Fuckmikereilly - May 30, 2010
We even had a thread for it
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2009/4/9/829381/on-the-passing-of-nick-adenhart
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
Wow.
Even today, that is very moving.
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010
Why? This isn't an Angels blog and thus we don't owe anything to your personal standards of decency
OlSalty - May 30, 2010
This was a funny moment.
Of course you don’t think so. It was your player. He’s probably out for the year, which blows. The Angels are a worse team now than they were this morning. That Dallas wept doesn’t make the Romo fumble any less hilarious.
I just don’t get how this is so controversial. People have been laughing at Bill Gramatica for years. It’s silly. It’s silly to get hurt celebrating your own achievement. And to do it on a walk-off? It’s just so absurd.
Obviously this is very different from the Adenhart situation, but I would not recommend taking internet comments in a game thread as being reflective of someone’s true nature. Some things are simply said for purposes of shock value. Maybe 1% of comments in an LL game thread are actually serious in intent. There is no malice. I date a damn Angels fan.
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
Only thing that's annoying me,
and this isn’t just at LL, it’s across the board (or in this case, internet), is that people are blaming Morales for this. When I watch the replay, I see Kendry jump up, reach his peak, come down about 4 inches, and then get shoved to the ground. Thus, it’s really not his fault. But I guess the cause is a stupid thing to be talking about.
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010
People are blaming Morales?
Those people are nuts. This was just a complete accident, and anyone who gets on Morales for “showboating” is a moron.
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
I'd like to see players in all sports be a little less dumb about how they choose to celebrate
But that’s only tangential to this discussion.
Jeff Nye - May 30, 2010
Well, players in every sport do ridiculous things to celebrate all the time.
I don’t think it’s fair to single Morales out as if he’s doing something different than other athletes do.
Jeff Nye - May 30, 2010
With all due respect, but since you brought it up
And I qualify this to point out that I don’t “blame” Morales. Obviously this was a freak injury, possibly the freakiest of freak injuries. But in looking at the replay I don’t see the injury occurring because he was shoved. Call me nuts, but a bit of showboating did appear to take place. The sequence is pretty clear:
1. Morales crushes League’s pitch, watches the flight of the ball, flips his bat and starts jogging up the line. He doesn’t reach first until after the ball lands in the Big Thunder Mountain rockpile.
2. He rounds the bases and approaches home, tosses his helmet, and does a little hop, skip, and jump.
3. As he jumps, Morales lifts his right leg (red arrow). Note home plate umpire Greg Gibson continuing to watch the play (circled in green):
4. As Morales decends he lifts his leg up even further, while Gibson continues to monitor his post through the chaos because he’s a professional:
5. Morales lands on home plate as his teammates briefly beat the shit out of him, though the “shove” while he is still in the air appears to amount to not much more than a slap on the head. Gibson signals that the run did in fact score, because he’s a professional:
So throwing his teammates under the bus for shoving him to the ground does not seem to match with the visual evidence. But again, this is not to “blame” Morales. We’ve all jumped around like idiots after winning a big game on a walk-off, last-second shot or score. And we all take the same risk every time we leave our feet for a rebound, hustle up the line in a softball game or jump to defend a pass in flag football. But if I roll my ankle (again) and it goes off like a shot, I won’t blame my friends for giving me shit while I limp around for the next few weeks. And if I did so while celebrating and maybe spontaneously doing the “crane” from Karate Kid:
…then I’ll take my lumps like a man, keep rehabbing and lie in wait for the next opportunity.
lemonverbena - May 30, 2010
Well
The first few about what he did after he hit it really aren’t that terrible. The dude hit a walk-off grand slam. What do you expect him to do? (And actually, Kendry runs out his HR’s a lot harder than others) What he did before reaching the plate is pretty normal, as well. And here’s where I really disagree:
“though the "shove" while he is still in the air appears to amount to not much more than a slap on the head.”
I said this in my first post, but I’ll repeat it again. If you watch closely, he goes up, goes a little toward the ground, and then ROCKETS to the ground. And this, I think, is what put too much force/weight on his left leg, and the rest is history, I guess. And I agree with your last paragraph, like I said it just bothers me when people call out morales as being the only one at fault.
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010 via mobile
Let it go.
Wilder. - May 30, 2010
I love the 'outrage'.
Just speaking for myself here.
If this was to happen to one the Mariners* my first reaction would of course be shock followed by anger and frustration. These things would quickly wear off and then it would be funny. Not just a little bit funny, but damn funny! It would most likely become a staple of LL humor. *If this happened to Rob Johnson it would just be immediately awesome and hilarious.
Yes there is a lot of shock humor here. But it’s really high quality shock humor dammit and many of us take real pride in that. This does mean it isn’t a community for everyone. HH allows you one ‘fuck’ per month while LL has the following disclaimer prominently displayed at the top of the homepage:
Yes you find the occasional Adenhart jokes but you find similar gems regarding Jose Lopez’s numerous deceased siblings. It’s equal opportunity and not exactly serious. In fact it’s often rather hilarious when viewed this way. I feel some real satisfaction in making the cut here.
Let us honor the memory of Gary Coleman and try to remember,
They’ll have theirs, and you’ll have yours, and I’ll have mine.
And together we’ll be fine….
Because it takes, Diff’rent Strokes to move the world.
Alternately, here is a form you can fill out.
Big Jared - May 30, 2010
Well.
" *If this happened to Rob Johnson it would just be immediately awesome and hilarious."
Would it be funny if you were 3 games out of first place, and it happened to Ichiro?
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010 via mobile
Immediately, no, of course not
Eventually, yes, absolutely.
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
How long is
“Eventually”?
Figgi4life - May 30, 2010 via mobile
I have no idea, as it hasn't happened
Jeff Sullivan - May 30, 2010
Lets face it
as an Angels Fan myself, I do find this a silly injury. i think funny is not the right word.
Tragically humorous if I could coin a phrase.
I don’t have a problem with about 90% of the posts here, at HH we would definitely make fun of your best player if they got hurt in some freak way. I think that the difference is not so much the style as that intent. You can always tell the most about someone in their immediate reactions to the incident, which after reading the game thread wasn’t very ‘classy’. it is easy the next day or at least after having some time for it to sink in to all of a sudden ‘grow a conscience’. Still though overall I have no problem with it. Anytime people make fun of another group no matter how deserving the criticism is are always walking the fine line of decency
I do have 1 bigger problem though
So the poster who said that ’ we don’t have to comply to your standards of decency and morals’
what an idiotic statement! So if I stood outside an abortion clinic and mocked the women coming out I could say, that , “hey I don’t hav eto comply with YOUR standards of decency and morals” Or maybe I could stand in front of the World Trade Center tell all the widows of the firefighters that they were worthless, or laugh at their deaths.
These are obviously extreme examples, but it is response to a STUPID reply by someone with a 5th grade education.
Offense is taken not from the giver of the insult but from the receiver. which is why YOU might think using the ‘N-Word’ is okay, but to a African-American it is not up to his standards of decency and morals.
Wise up. the injury was tragically comical, because of the circumstances. the proper response would be to make a dumb joke wish him a speedy recovery and then move on. Some posters have done that some haven’t. I really don’t care about what teams BELOW us in the standings have to say anyhow. I did have a problem with the comment above though
Sinatrasratpack - May 31, 2010
I think that's what me.
And that’s not what I said. I said you should not preach something as offensive on someone else’s blog and then go back to your own blog immediately after and make statements that someone else could also find as offensive. The poster in question literally did this:
1) Came to this blog and made a post about how the stuff we write on the Internet is offensive and that we crossed a line.
2) Went back to your blog and called a friend of his a homophobic slur “in jest.”
3) Came back to this blog and said it was completely unfair that they were called on their homophobic slur because it was “between friends” which is totally different from the original one.
Except, you know. It’s not. I mean, it may seem like it is because blogs are communities and you know the people in the community, but to an outsider, both are equally offensive. That’s why we on this website don’t go to other websites and try to preach what is classy comment and what isn’t, because we don’t know the people making the comment because it’s not our community and we don’t know the circumstances. Yet for some reason, HH seems to think that it’s okay for them to come here and tell us what we should do.
While you may not know this, we actually hold our new posters to an extremely high standard. Off color jokes are completely off limits until we trust that you are simply making a joke and not actually racist/homophobic/etc. People are banned/warned with a great deal of regularity if they are brand new and choose to say something offensive. But once they have passed our tests and we have judged their personality, as long as the joke is funny to us it’s fair game for reasons I can describe in some other post.
To you at HH – you’re not a part of this community. You don’t know who we are, you don’t know what we’ve done – you have interacted with none of us. Anything we say is going to be offensive to you. But before you take a holier than thou attitude, you should go back and look at what your own blog does and ask yourself “Do we do anything that some outsider might find offensive?” Because the answer is always yes. I’m not telling you that you need to go back and change your community. Why would I? It’s your community. But don’t come here and act like somehow your community is righteous and without fault, because the same things you claim we do, you do as well.
CapSea - June 1, 2010
*That was me
CapSea - June 1, 2010
I understand your point.
It’s the ol’" he who lives in glass houses" point… And I get it I really do.
However I wasn’t picking out the comments made infact in my post I say that even though it sucks for MY favorite team to lose Kendry, I can definetely see the humor. And while not enjoying all the posts I can really give some leeway because let’s face it, it is a dumb way to get hurt.
I had a problem with the comment made about “I/we don’t have to comply with YOUR morals and standards.”
You are right about me not knowing the LL community and that is valid. However saying that you don’t have to comply with others standards of morals and decency, just seemed like a poor excuse and justification for people who do cross the line.
Good to know though that there are some people in our RIVALS SB community that are willing to address things.
As far as todays game goes….. GO ANGELS
Sinatrasratpack - June 5, 2010
I'm not going to argue there isn't a fine line.
But I will argue that who and how the line is drawn is incredibly subjective. That’s partially why I (and we, but I’m not speaking for everyone) allow MORE things to be “okay,” not fewer. Provided we can tell that what is said was said in jest, it’s easier to build a community that isn’t attacking everyone for being insensitive, because what causes people to be offended differs from person to person.
MORE to the point though is the idea that it’s acceptable to come here and preach your standards of decency while the place you came from isn’t getting the same policing. Any Halos Heaven member that wants to crash this blog and preach moral righteousness, but condones and sometimes participates in something equally offensive on your blog is not only being hypocritical, but also extremely annoying.
If all of your friends used the racial and you did too, and then you walked into a bar, heard a man use a slur completely out of context and then yelled at him for it, telling him that he doesn’t have as good morals as you, you’d be both hypocritical and a complete idiot. It’s the same thing here. We had multiple members of HH tell us here (and on their own blog) that we’re somehow extremely offensive, only go to back and literally do the exact same thing on your blog ON THE VERY NEXT COMMENT. That should upset you as much as it does us.
Your best bet is to stick to your own equally offensive, imperfect community, because no one has a right to preach something they don’t follow themselves.
CapSea - June 7, 2010
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