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Ian Snell Goes Away To Make Room For Top Prospect Brian Sweeney

So it took a little while longer than I guessed, but on the heels of Ian Snell's latest televised assault on all of our well-beings, he's at last been designated for assignment. Designating Snell for assignment gives the Mariners ten days to plan his official release party, sure to feature a pinata, suckers, and foods that melt.

I imagine someone will end up taking a chance on Snell's arm, given that he's only 29, but the M's aren't getting anything of value in return. You can close the book on that whole adventure, meaning we traded a bunch of young and younger filler for 110.2 innings of unwatchable misery and a broken-down shortstop who's leaving games in the minors because he's tired. It's a deal that made some sense at the time, but looking back, it certainly doesn't shine as the front office's best decision.

110.2 innings, 63 strikeouts, 64 walks. I think the most interesting thing we can take away from the Ian Snell Experience isn't that changes of scenery don't always work; it's that Snell went from a place where he was depressed to a place where he was much happier, and he still sucked. The big reason he held appeal a year ago was that he very clearly didn't want to be a part of the Pirates anymore, and was pitching like it. But the M's gave him a fresh start, and he failed. Implying (but not proving) that his mental condition wasn't the big problem. His big problem, it seems, is that he can't throw strikes, ever, and it turns out that can actually be a much more difficult problem to solve.

So, he's gone, which will if nothing else make the rest of these games easier on us. Coming up to take his place, at least for a little while, is 36 year old righty Brian Sweeney, who you might remember as having made his big league debut with the Mariners back in 2003. The journeyman has been through a lot, as journeymen are wont to do, and Sweeney even spent 2007-2009 in Japan before coming back to sign with the Rainiers and post some shockingly good numbers. He's got 32 strikeouts to go with eight walks, and his swinging strike rate is north of 13%.

Sweeney doesn't matter, and he's almost certainly gone as soon as Doug Fister is better again. But if you think of this less from the Mariners' perspective and more from Sweeney's, he's climbing back to the bigs long after everyone else wrote him off, and for at least a few days, he once again gets to wear a Major League uniform and earn a Major League paycheck. Not all Hollywood endings involve slaying the dragon. Sometimes it's enough to hold a sword.

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Yay!

I liked watching Ian Snell pitch about as much as I like being hit in the head with a hammer.

When you're a hammer

Everything looks like a nail.

Are you sure that's not Doug Fister in that photo?
Good fucking riddance.
Or, if you're Ugueth Urbina, it's enough to hold a machete and attempt to slay farmhands.

Goodbye, Ian Snell. Dreadful on the mound as well as dreadful to watch. Slow, agonizing, and a foregone conclusion. I know Fogel will miss you, but he’ll just start supporting Sean White and forget that you ever graced this team with your surly impertinence.

Maybe when Fister comes back White is gone

One can only hope

At some point, there are only so many shitty relievers you can DFA.

Not that I’m defending White, but if the previous call up was Cordero and Snell going away brings up Brian Sweeney, how much of the barrel do you want to scrape?

But maybe the bottom of the barrel is lined with paper with a pattern of cherries on it

And it turns out, it’s scratch-n-sniff!

YOU WOULD MISS OUT ON THAT!

Did you just imply that Mike Koplove smells like cherries?
It's clearly a genius metaphor for something I'm unable to further dumb down for the plebes.
It's only fitting that, in the picture, Snell looks like he's waiting for a hug that will never come.
I think he's ushering Kinsler toward home plate.

Thank you. Come again.

Awesome

Brian Sweeney played for Tacoma in three separate decades. He – or his wife – must be awfully tired of living in crappy rental apartments and moving every 6-9 months. Glad he finally got another shot.

Maybe he likes the Taco?
Are you making a Vargas joke?
This is kinda sad

I had high hopes for Ian. He was the Pirates equivalent of an ace for a while and i had heard he had good stuff but had trouble putting it together. I figured he could be a serviceable guy for us and was excited for him to be an M (moreso than Jack W.) Man alive did he suck though.

I miss Jeffy.

Jeff Clement is awful
But i will always love him.

Just like i do Adam Jones.

Strangely none of the Pirates' supposed aces ever panned out.

Gorzelanny, Duke, Snell, Oliver Perez…

For some reason people loved going crazy over a Pirate pitcher putting up decent numbers.

Gorzelanny is actually pitching pretty well for the Cubs right now
Isn't he back in the pen though?
Yeah, and it's SSS

but he hasn’t been terrible, like every other pirates “ace.”

Gotta grade em on a scale because everyone wants the Pirates to be better

because OH GOD THEY’RE SO DEPRESSING. They’re like MLB’s homeless.

I guess that means our trading them Jeff Clement is the MLB equivalent to giving a homeless person a dollar.

You know it’s not going to help them all that much, and you have larger bills in your pocket, but hey at least its something.

For some reason I thought Perez was good

Then I looked at Fangraphs and HOLY SHIT he has been bad. One good year in 2004 then a multitude of suck (minus 2007) ever since.

Well yeah, only Nolan Ryan has put together a career based on striking out and walking the world.
And those are only the ones that had some success in the majors...

Bullington, Van Boeschoten… Good luck Jameson Taillon!

Nobody misses Jeff.

Everyone misses his potential. Especially him.

Someone misses Jeff.
Needy fucks, he just made a post like 45 minutes ago
When Ian Snell gets on a plane and leaves the Mariners behind forever

His bags will fly with him, for free, in your honor.

PLAYOFFS!
I've got some bad news for you...
PLAYOFFS?
PLAYOFFS :(
DON'T SHIT ON MY PLAYOFF HOPES MOTHERFUCKERS
Only had to go #1 anyway.
Does it smell like cherries?
I've got some good news for you!
Finally, it was time for Snell to go.

Hopefully Brian Sweeney does well.

How many Sweeneys

Does it take to make the playoffs? I think we have room for more…

Trade Cliff Lee for Ryan Sweeney?
No one named Sweeney has been to the playoffs since 2005, when Mark hit .357/.500/.429 for the Padres.

This is a really important fact that I looked up.

The playoffs have a No Mike Sweeney allowed policy, so we're clearly boned.
You're next, Tui.
But spring training! And, um, her's a local hero!

Yeah, I got nothing. Which is kinda similar to Tui, come to think of it.

Well atl least this makes my birthday salvageable. Hopefully Mark Lowe's back is salvageable.
For Mark Lowe's sake I hope this is true.
I read just a day or two ago that he's having surgery and out for the year.

Has that changed?

I heard today that he had surgery and they think it went well.

I have known six people to have disc surgery and full recovery seems to be around 50% from that small sampling.

But even with a good recovery, he won't be back until 2011.

On the plus side, recovery rates are probably higher for pro athletes who are constantly surrounded by medical experts guiding them through the process.

Brian Sweeney?

One of the worst feelings is having a shitty season and not being able to call up anything worthwhile.

Every worthwhile pitcher on the 40-man is already here.

Dan Cortes has had one good start in recent memory and neither Paredes nor Varvaro are ready. There would be little point in adding Pineda only to start his clock early in a meaningless season.

How far off is Paredes? I remember one of you M's prospect people mentioning that he'd be a solid guy in the near future.
Tough to say; if they don't mind a limited player, he's close

His command has sort of come and gone at times, and he’s only really been good for the past 12 months.

That said, it’s not asking a lot to be a situational lefty, so he may be close.

Could be a year or so.

He missed two and a half weeks in May and since then he hasn’t been striking out as many. Should be a reasonable bullpen option as lefty reliever with minor improvements to his command.

So, a Cesar Jimenezy type prospect?
Except he has stuff and is comeptent against same-handed hitters.
*competent

Fun word to misspell!

Time to play one of my favorite games,

Fangraphsing players that were gone before I knew about advanced statistics and seeing what happens to what I thought I knew about them.

Yeah, I liked Jimenez a lot for his change, which was a real weapon.

But that meant he was useless as a LOOGY, and a straight 87mph fastball meant he wasn’t amazing against anyone. Still, he wasn’t a terrible player until another round of arm injuries nuked his career. Just an extremely low-ceiling guy.

His 2008 actually had very similar 3.3ish FIPs against both sides. I've hijacked. Enough Jimenez.
Right- I think he actually could've been a contributor

But he wasn’t death-on-a-stick enough v. lefties to have a real role. A moot point, but I always thought he was a bit undervalued. /hijackassistance.

Hey look!

“jackass”

Paredes, on the other hand, throws 93-4.

He also has eyebrows.

At worst he's my second favorite Sweeney on the team
Well that trade ended up being a big stinker.
I looked back through the thread from the day of the trade and quite a few of us were not happy with the trade.
We took on too much money
"It was payday today, and I stopped by the ATM and took on some money."

Sounds like a good thing to me.

I mostly didn't believe Jack Wilson would fix our problem at short.
I wish we had Maicer Izturis :(
I thought he would, but this was the worst case scenario

and given his lack of durability they should have come up; with a better backup

Also, this makes resigning him to the contract a poor decision.

Once it was clear he was going to have these injury struggles last year, a backup option should have been a necessity, not a luxury. They should have treated Jack Wilson like an above average placeholder rather than a solution.

I wish I had an idea how they would have done this though so I can argue it.

I really don’t know what else they could have done.

I don't think resigning him was that bad of an idea. What would they have done at SS instead?
Right, hence my thought right above this one.

I think the signing, though, made it vital that they find an adequate backup, and possibly mortgage a little bit of the farm system to find a prospect or someone that could easily hold the position if/when Jack Wilson got injured. We got lucky with Josh Wilson, but he shouldn’t have been the option.

I agree though. I have no idea how they could have done that, and they may have tried and it was simply impossible. Still, as an outsider, all I know is that they weren’t able to, and that put the team in a pretty bad position from the get go, with a high likelihood of this ultimate scenario.

One final thought on this, since it probably belongs in the Josh Wilson thread anyway.

I think “GMZ should have gotten someone else” is a hard argument to make, because there are not many players we can get. At the same time, however, we’re stuck in the exact same position right now, and if we’re able to find someone to fill the gap now, who is to say we couldn’t have done that before?

Eh, it’s a tough argument. I like to give GMZ the benefit of the doubt, especially because of how difficult it is to find adequate shortstops available on the trade market, but this is one of those times that it is tough.

I was not pleased with that, but it's not like we had other options so it's hard to argue.

Also, we got him for two years at the price it would have cost to exercise his option. At least it wasnt a total screwjob.

Mostly, I think it’s interesting that you can make a legitimate argument that the Mariners employ the worst player in baseball, and you can make it for like five guys (including Griffey and Snell).

nice line

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So according to Dave, Brian Sweeney is pretty decent at throwing strikes, and sounds similar to an older Doug Fister.

I have to be honest, though. If Brian Sweeney pitches even adequately (like a 5th starter), I am going to be a little upset about the way teams handle pitchers. If a 36 year old with very little track record can pitch even remotely useful, then all of these weird experiments with starting pitchers seem almost counterproductive.

I don’t know if this makes sense, but basically if he can pitch usefully (poorly, but not abysmal), my faith in the way major league baseball and the Seattle Mariners handle the minor leagues will dip a little.

Fringe guys like Sweeney are always going to be little bits of luck and slight tweaks away from either being mildly useful or mostly useless.
Sending Kanekoa packing looks pretty bad right about now.

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