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Series Preview: Chicago Cubs @ Seattle Mariners

Seattle: 28-41
Chicago: 31-38

MARINERS Δ Ms CUBS EDGE
HITTING (wOBA)
-70.3 (28th) -4.7 -1.8 (14th) Chicago
FIELDING (UZR) 4.2 (13th) -3.2 17.2 (6th) Chicago
ROTATION (tRA)
4.1 (15th) 5.7 33.1 (1st) Chicago
BULLPEN (tRA)
-12.8 (24th) 1.3 -2.8 (18th) Chicago
OVERALL(RAA)
-74.8 (26th) -0.9 45.7 (10th) CHICAGO






 

Hey, did you know the Cubs are coming to town? And that means Lou Piniella and Carlos Silva are returning? Those might come up once or twice or seven thousand times this week, so prepare yourself. Also prepare yourself for an influx of visiting fans both to the ballpark and to this blog. I urge restraint from all of you in dealing with any drive-bys. If someone is legitimately trolling, you know what the best solution is? Do nothing.

Trolls feed on reactions and there is only two ways they will go away: they either get banned or leave because they do not garner the reactions they desire. We will do our best on our end to ban those that demonstrate a clear intent to troll, but we cannot be everywhere at all times. Luckily, you can proceed to do nothing all day long without our help. You can only control your own actions, but that is all you need to control.

While there was a time when it was in vogue to interact with trolls and tweak them, that time has passed. It is time to mature and just ignore those that act out as small children do when throwing a tantrum. Trolls want attention; it doesn't matter what kind. I have enough respect for each and every one of you to assume that you all can tell a troll when one appears. They will be held responsible and banned when we find them, but in the meantime, I hold each of you accountable as well. You cannot argue with a troll because the troll's goal is the argument itself. Do not troll and do not feed the trolls. Do not feed the trolls!

Tue Jun 22, 17:10: Jason Vargas* vs. Ryan Dempster

Wed Jun 13, 17:10: Cliff Lee* vs. Randy Wells

Thu Jun 24, 12:40: Felix Hernandez vs. Carlos Silva

Jason Vargas is currently on pace to throw 200 innings this season for the Mariners. Over the past five years or so, starting from 2005, he has thrown 182, 112, 135, 0 and 142 innings. Jason Vargas has taken a step forward in proving that he has the stuff and command needed to provide value in an American League rotation. What he has left to prove is that he can sustain that over multiple outings against the same opponents and that his body can hold up to make those starts. 

Is this Cliff Lee's final Mariner start? Some people are saying yes. Other people are saying no. Not enough people are saying nothing because wow, like five people are going to know and they are not going to have an interest in telling others. Cliff Lee is almost certainly going to be traded at some point in the near future. I believe that if the Mariners had any chance to sign Cliff Lee to an extension, that time has passed. That may not preclude them from inking him this coming winter, but that is a long shot. 

What is the Mariner Front Office looking to get back in a trade of Cliff Lee? We don't know. We really cannot know. I am sure they have several hopes and their demands will be fluid to an extent. No, I don't know if this or that package is enough or not enough to land Cliff Lee. Nobody here knows. I could speculate on what sorts of players or positions Jack Zduriencik will look for, but you all know the general picture already.

Felix Hernandez's last start qualified as his best of the season by tRA and all of a sudden, three of Felix's last four starts have featured a nine strikeout, one walk performance with lots of ground balls. After a middling May, it is comforting to see Felix return to a dominant level.

Jason Vargas Cliff Lee Felix Hernandez
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 48% 87 50 35 30
Change 22% 80 80 70 35
Sinker 21% 86 30 50 30
Slider 7% 82 20 40 45
Overall -- -- 55 45 30
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 56% 91 70 80 45
Sinker 15% 90 45 80 40
Change 14% 83 55 80 55
Curve 9% 76 55 50 80
Slider 6% 85 30 80 50
Overall -- -- 55 80 55
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 70% 94 75 55 75
Curve 12% 83 60 45 75
Slider 9% 87 75 70 75
Change 9% 88 70 75 80
Overall -- -- 75 60 75

Ryan Dempster Randy Wells Carlos Silva
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 49% 91 55 25 55
Slider 30% 85 75 75 80
Change 16% 82 80 55 60
Sinker 5% 91 25 35 60
Overall -- -- 80 50 70
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 47% 90 60 50 55
Slider 28% 84 45 75 75
Change 18% 84 70 45 45
Sinker 7% 89 25 25 60
Overall -- -- 65 55 65
Pitch%SpKBBGB
Fastball 66% 90 35 60 60
Change 24% 81 35 80 75
Slider 10% 81 35 20 30
Overall -- -- 25 65 60

1 recs  |  101 comments

Comments

My first game back at safeco since 2007!

this time I’m a resident, but of course I have to cheer against the M’s, oh well it’s only 3 games.

Hernandez-Silva.

Watch the team lose that, only because God hates us.

He's not a big Cubs fan either.
Haha holy shit that would suck
God is good and just.
If Felix loses to Silva, I don't know what I'd do

I really don’t. I don’t want to think about it either.

What happens if Silva pitches a no-hitter
Don't even joke about that man...

Don’t troll my fanhood

Then the Mariners probably lose
Unless Silva walked a bunch of people.

That would still be entertaining.

Silva walking people and us taking walks... does not compute.
Got my tickets for Wednesday night

Taking my Dad as a belated Father’s Day gift. I figure that this is Cliff’s last start, and I haven’t seen him in person yet. Plus, Sweet Lou is going to be in town, can’t miss that.

Anybody else going on Wednesday?

I'll be there.

Tonight and tomorrow, but couldn’t get Thursday off work. Fuck Carlos Silva anyway. I hope Milton Bradley goes 4-4 with a couple funk blasts off of him.

Just looking forward to seeing Sweet Lou!

What is this "Sweet Lou" and where can I get some?

It seems to get people to their happy place.

I wish this series was in Chicago so Felix could hit a dinger off Silva.
Can't wait

to see Lee again, I saw him in Tacoma, but this will be the first time I see him in a Mariners uni in person

I need your help doing nothing Matthew.
You don't need anyone's help doing nothing

You are a lackadaisical stoner.

I am anything but lackadaisical.
Hey I heard you were some kind of stoner

I also, am, too!

I huff glue
Don't OD

…just look at what happened to Charlie.

Do you see what you did Jeff?
I had fun at your expense
That's true.

I wish I could represent mumbling over the internet but I can’t think of how to.

[mrmphmrmphmrmph]
Most of my comments.
Huh. The best rotation in the majors is only good for 3 wins so far

seems a bit low, especially for this season.

Above average, not replacement.
It's a shame because that Milton Bradley middle finger pic is just too perfect.

Still, message received.

So the Cubs are actually pretty good.
The Reds offense was the tops in NL coming into last weekend.

It’s the NL central, so it’s all relative. Two teams in that division are worse than the M’s.

Also, USE FLAGS.
Is all this trepidation because its the Cubs?
BLAH BLAH BLAH MILTON BRADLEY BLAH BLAH BLAH CARLOS SILVA BLAH BLAH BLAH

Cubs fans are going to be annoying.

I'd be surprised if many of them come over

as much as the fans seem to be ubiquitous, they don’t post much on other blogs that I have noticed. I also don’t think talking about CS or MB is de facto trolling.

You were obviously not here when we traded for Bradley.
Or Cedeno.
Oh Christ I forgot about that

prepare yourselves for more of this asshattery.

Or when Bradley had his first "incident."

They were here pretty quick.

Going to be?

Surely you don’t know many. Most ARE. It’s a state of being.

The Cubs are 5-2 all-time against us.

That sickens me. Despite the Cubs being a better team on paper, I look forward to a Mariners sweep!

This may be a bit of a challenge,,,

The delineation between Seattle sarcasm and Chicago trolling isn’t always obvious. This may turn out to be a VERY short gamethread

Or a VERY long one…

Just "rec" everything.

They won’t know what to do.

I feel like Milton Bradley playing against his former team should be a bigger story than it is.
He has many former teams.
Yeah.

Hasn’t he already played against 3 of them?

You're right.

We don’t play Cleveland this year until August 13.

It might have been

Except that you have a guy hitting at the Mendoza line in the top of the order for a team that is double digits out of first. It might have been a story if he was hitting .295 with 12 and 50 and the M’s were a game out. He has kinda behaved himself (on the MB scale of behavior). I suppose the bigger story might be that Silva, the reclamation project that is putting up some ok numbers, is back in town to face his former team…

In Chicago, MB is *always* a bigger story than it should be.

The media treatment of MB in Chicago was a disaster. It really made me sad/angry.

To be fair, Mariners fans do the same thing with Silva.

He’s gone. Time to get the hell over it an move on.

Agreed. I wish Cubs fans would pay attention to Gutierrez, Felix, and Lee this series...

and M’s fans would pay attention to Soto and Castro.

Aren't those times 19:10?

Or are we starting early to accomodate Chicago TV?

Niehaus says Lou says it might be Lilly on thursday, if SIlva's leg is still tight (he had cramping his last game)
Don't feed the trolls, bears, lions or occasional Tuiasosopo.

It could be in vogue to devour a cub or two though.

A Dumpster, a Well, and a Silva

3 giant holes for disposing of dead animals. .

Isn't Silva a substance used to deep fry doughnuts.
Silva is kind of like Spanish haiku...

Silva, in Spanish poetry, a strophe, laisse (Sp. tirada) consisting of in eleven- and seven- syllable lines, the majority of which are rhymed although there is no fixed order or rhyme, nor is there a fixed number of lines.

So, something like:
Silva is pitching today
Maybe we will see the baseball fly away
Thank god he is now a Cub
So M’s fans don’t need to see that fat tub of blub

You know what the worst part about having Silva on the Ms was?
The fat jokes!
This is an unnecessary attitude.
Sorry, I was looking for the balance between funny and firm

in telling you that the fat jokes were such a dead meme that reminding people of it is a dead meme.

I wonder how many people in the M's organization made fat jokes?
The fact that the mound was flat after each of his starts?
lol...

apparently that’s not funny around these parts anymore.

Just a heads up, we don't do chatspeak here.
You all have a lot of rules.

i’ll try to play along as best i can but habits die hard and all.

would you prefer me to type "dying laughing"?
Haha works
we actually have a macro set up at another cubs blog

so that LOL automatically turns into (dying laughing). It was put there as a way to make fun of a guy that used to always troll there and insert that into the middle of his sentences.

We haven't been in the same thread for a while...

I wish our boys were giving your boys more competition.

Would I be a troll if I suggested you trade for Silva?

I’m getting desperate. The better he does the bigger I fear his inevitable crash will be.

By the way, if you want to chat with some reasonable, LL-like Cub fans check out anothercubsblog. Here’s our (my) preview of your team for the Cubs-Mariners series:
http://www.anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/june/movable-object-vs-resistible-force.html#comments

FEED ME!!!!

;-)

I was quoting Carlos Silva. That had nothing to do with my being a troll.
Silva fat jokes are dead dead dead dead dead around here.
They won't get old to me for a while.

But I can appreciate that.

Yay Silva is not starting! Lilly in his place.
NO
NO NO NO
Don't worry Robert we can track him down
BONER KILLER
Alright I know I just said people needed to get over Silva and all but this is a pallet of bullshit
whew...

I was terrified the M’s were going to jump all over him and ruin his trade value. Of course, I have that fear before every start… but there would be something poetic about that collapse coming against the M’s.

Did I mention I want the Cubs to trade him before his value goes back down again?

BOOOOOOOOOOOO-URNS

I KNEW that was going to happen…

Are you all going to have a game thread?

I’m in the middle of packing up to move out of your wonderful city, but will try to hang out here if I’m watching the game. I respect the hell out of Lookout Landing. The Cubs blogs I respect stopped caring about Cubs games weeks ago. (Yes, I realize that should be a clue.)

Our best ones are when we are terrible!
Go get em, Robert!

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