Seattle: 28-41
Chicago: 31-38
| MARINERS | Δ Ms | CUBS | EDGE | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| HITTING (wOBA) |
-70.3 (28th) | -4.7 | -1.8 (14th) | Chicago |
| FIELDING (UZR) | 4.2 (13th) | -3.2 | 17.2 (6th) | Chicago |
| ROTATION (tRA) |
4.1 (15th) | 5.7 | 33.1 (1st) | Chicago |
| BULLPEN (tRA) |
-12.8 (24th) | 1.3 | -2.8 (18th) | Chicago |
| OVERALL(RAA) |
-74.8 (26th) | -0.9 | 45.7 (10th) | CHICAGO |
Hey, did you know the Cubs are coming to town? And that means Lou Piniella and Carlos Silva are returning? Those might come up once or twice or seven thousand times this week, so prepare yourself. Also prepare yourself for an influx of visiting fans both to the ballpark and to this blog. I urge restraint from all of you in dealing with any drive-bys. If someone is legitimately trolling, you know what the best solution is? Do nothing.
Trolls feed on reactions and there is only two ways they will go away: they either get banned or leave because they do not garner the reactions they desire. We will do our best on our end to ban those that demonstrate a clear intent to troll, but we cannot be everywhere at all times. Luckily, you can proceed to do nothing all day long without our help. You can only control your own actions, but that is all you need to control.
While there was a time when it was in vogue to interact with trolls and tweak them, that time has passed. It is time to mature and just ignore those that act out as small children do when throwing a tantrum. Trolls want attention; it doesn't matter what kind. I have enough respect for each and every one of you to assume that you all can tell a troll when one appears. They will be held responsible and banned when we find them, but in the meantime, I hold each of you accountable as well. You cannot argue with a troll because the troll's goal is the argument itself. Do not troll and do not feed the trolls. Do not feed the trolls!
Jason Vargas is currently on pace to throw 200 innings this season for the Mariners. Over the past five years or so, starting from 2005, he has thrown 182, 112, 135, 0 and 142 innings. Jason Vargas has taken a step forward in proving that he has the stuff and command needed to provide value in an American League rotation. What he has left to prove is that he can sustain that over multiple outings against the same opponents and that his body can hold up to make those starts.
Is this Cliff Lee's final Mariner start? Some people are saying yes. Other people are saying no. Not enough people are saying nothing because wow, like five people are going to know and they are not going to have an interest in telling others. Cliff Lee is almost certainly going to be traded at some point in the near future. I believe that if the Mariners had any chance to sign Cliff Lee to an extension, that time has passed. That may not preclude them from inking him this coming winter, but that is a long shot.
What is the Mariner Front Office looking to get back in a trade of Cliff Lee? We don't know. We really cannot know. I am sure they have several hopes and their demands will be fluid to an extent. No, I don't know if this or that package is enough or not enough to land Cliff Lee. Nobody here knows. I could speculate on what sorts of players or positions Jack Zduriencik will look for, but you all know the general picture already.
Felix Hernandez's last start qualified as his best of the season by tRA and all of a sudden, three of Felix's last four starts have featured a nine strikeout, one walk performance with lots of ground balls. After a middling May, it is comforting to see Felix return to a dominant level.
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1 recs | 101 comments
My first game back at safeco since 2007!
this time I’m a resident, but of course I have to cheer against the M’s, oh well it’s only 3 games.
GarlicFryCubFan - June 22, 2010
Hernandez-Silva.
Watch the team lose that, only because God hates us.
craig3410 - June 22, 2010
He's not a big Cubs fan either.
Eyebrows - June 22, 2010 via mobile
Haha holy shit that would suck
jackyz - June 22, 2010
God is good and just.
Decatur - June 22, 2010
that's the truth!
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
If Felix loses to Silva, I don't know what I'd do
I really don’t. I don’t want to think about it either.
Allen Wu - June 22, 2010
What happens if Silva pitches a no-hitter
jackyz - June 22, 2010
Don't even joke about that man...
Don’t troll my fanhood
Allen Wu - June 22, 2010
Then the Mariners probably lose
Jeff Sullivan - June 22, 2010
Unless Silva walked a bunch of people.
That would still be entertaining.
Fuckmikereilly - June 22, 2010
Silva walking people and us taking walks... does not compute.
Kenneth Arthur - June 22, 2010
Got my tickets for Wednesday night
Taking my Dad as a belated Father’s Day gift. I figure that this is Cliff’s last start, and I haven’t seen him in person yet. Plus, Sweet Lou is going to be in town, can’t miss that.
Anybody else going on Wednesday?
tehbagel - June 22, 2010
I'll be there.
Tonight and tomorrow, but couldn’t get Thursday off work. Fuck Carlos Silva anyway. I hope Milton Bradley goes 4-4 with a couple funk blasts off of him.
Just looking forward to seeing Sweet Lou!
seattlecougar - June 22, 2010
What is this "Sweet Lou" and where can I get some?
It seems to get people to their happy place.
LonelyintheBleachers - June 22, 2010
I wish this series was in Chicago so Felix could hit a dinger off Silva.
I Lick Squirrels - June 22, 2010
Felix vs. Silva
Can’t imagine it being worst than this…I hope.
ThundaPC - June 22, 2010
Or worse.
ThundaPC - June 22, 2010
Can't wait
to see Lee again, I saw him in Tacoma, but this will be the first time I see him in a Mariners uni in person
EWeebs - June 22, 2010
I need your help doing nothing Matthew.
Kirk - June 22, 2010 via mobile
You don't need anyone's help doing nothing
You are a lackadaisical stoner.
Jeff Sullivan - June 22, 2010
I am anything but lackadaisical.
Kirk - June 22, 2010
Hey I heard you were some kind of stoner
I also, am, too!
tehbagel - June 22, 2010
I huff glue
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
Don't OD
…just look at what happened to Charlie.
tehbagel - June 22, 2010
Do you see what you did Jeff?
Kirk - June 22, 2010
I had fun at your expense
Jeff Sullivan - June 22, 2010
That's true.
I wish I could represent mumbling over the internet but I can’t think of how to.
Kirk - June 22, 2010
[mrmphmrmphmrmph]
msb - June 22, 2010
Most of my comments.
Robert - June 22, 2010
Huh. The best rotation in the majors is only good for 3 wins so far
seems a bit low, especially for this season.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
Above average, not replacement.
Matthew - June 22, 2010
It's a shame because that Milton Bradley middle finger pic is just too perfect.
Still, message received.
Eyeball Kid - June 22, 2010
So the Cubs are actually pretty good.
tait644 - June 22, 2010
The Reds offense was the tops in NL coming into last weekend.
It’s the NL central, so it’s all relative. Two teams in that division are worse than the M’s.
CMC_Stags - June 22, 2010
Also, USE FLAGS.
Decatur - June 22, 2010
Is all this trepidation because its the Cubs?
JetSam - June 22, 2010
BLAH BLAH BLAH MILTON BRADLEY BLAH BLAH BLAH CARLOS SILVA BLAH BLAH BLAH
Cubs fans are going to be annoying.
joof - June 22, 2010
I'd be surprised if many of them come over
as much as the fans seem to be ubiquitous, they don’t post much on other blogs that I have noticed. I also don’t think talking about CS or MB is de facto trolling.
JetSam - June 22, 2010
You were obviously not here when we traded for Bradley.
Eyebrows - June 22, 2010 via mobile
Or Cedeno.
abender20 - June 22, 2010
Oh Christ I forgot about that
prepare yourselves for more of this asshattery.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
Wow.
el pato - June 22, 2010
Or when Bradley had his first "incident."
They were here pretty quick.
Hopefulmsfan - June 22, 2010
Going to be?
Surely you don’t know many. Most ARE. It’s a state of being.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
If anybody comes by I will just point out that you can count the number of Cubs World Series rings in the last 100 years on Ron Santo's feet.
Robert - June 22, 2010
It is your fault
I just laughed so hard, I got a blast of hot coffee coming out my nose. This line should be in a Tarantino movie or something.
Henry H - June 22, 2010
Rec.ing this feels so right, it just can't be wrong.
Tragedy does make for the best comedy in these troubled times after all.
Jack Swan - June 22, 2010
To which the rightful response would be
“At least the Cubs have not only been to a World Series, but won one.”
Eyebrows - June 22, 2010 via mobile
Shut up Angels fans.
Robert - June 22, 2010
The Cubs are 5-2 all-time against us.
That sickens me. Despite the Cubs being a better team on paper, I look forward to a Mariners sweep!
katal - June 22, 2010
This may be a bit of a challenge,,,
The delineation between Seattle sarcasm and Chicago trolling isn’t always obvious. This may turn out to be a VERY short gamethread
Or a VERY long one…
ambrosia2112 - June 22, 2010
Just "rec" everything.
They won’t know what to do.
Hopefulmsfan - June 22, 2010
I feel like Milton Bradley playing against his former team should be a bigger story than it is.
MikeCarp'sNose - June 22, 2010
He has many former teams.
Matthew - June 22, 2010
Yeah.
Hasn’t he already played against 3 of them?
Hopefulmsfan - June 22, 2010
You're right.
We don’t play Cleveland this year until August 13.
Eyebrows - June 22, 2010 via mobile
It might have been
Except that you have a guy hitting at the Mendoza line in the top of the order for a team that is double digits out of first. It might have been a story if he was hitting .295 with 12 and 50 and the M’s were a game out. He has kinda behaved himself (on the MB scale of behavior). I suppose the bigger story might be that Silva, the reclamation project that is putting up some ok numbers, is back in town to face his former team…
Henry H - June 22, 2010
In Chicago, MB is *always* a bigger story than it should be.
The media treatment of MB in Chicago was a disaster. It really made me sad/angry.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
To be fair, Mariners fans do the same thing with Silva.
He’s gone. Time to get the hell over it an move on.
Aaron Campeau - June 22, 2010
Agreed. I wish Cubs fans would pay attention to Gutierrez, Felix, and Lee this series...
and M’s fans would pay attention to Soto and Castro.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Aren't those times 19:10?
Or are we starting early to accomodate Chicago TV?
bilbo - June 22, 2010
Niehaus says Lou says it might be Lilly on thursday, if SIlva's leg is still tight (he had cramping his last game)
msb - June 22, 2010
Don't feed the trolls, bears, lions or occasional Tuiasosopo.
It could be in vogue to devour a cub or two though.
Jack Swan - June 22, 2010
A Dumpster, a Well, and a Silva
3 giant holes for disposing of dead animals. .
CapSea - June 22, 2010
Isn't Silva a substance used to deep fry doughnuts.
Jack Swan - June 22, 2010
Silva is kind of like Spanish haiku...
Silva, in Spanish poetry, a strophe, laisse (Sp. tirada) consisting of in eleven- and seven- syllable lines, the majority of which are rhymed although there is no fixed order or rhyme, nor is there a fixed number of lines.
So, something like:
Silva is pitching today
Maybe we will see the baseball fly away
Thank god he is now a Cub
So M’s fans don’t need to see that fat tub of blub
Henry H - June 22, 2010
You know what the worst part about having Silva on the Ms was?
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
Wait for it
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
Wait for it
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
The fat jokes!
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
This is an unnecessary attitude.
CapSea - June 22, 2010
Sorry, I was looking for the balance between funny and firm
in telling you that the fat jokes were such a dead meme that reminding people of it is a dead meme.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
I wonder how many people in the M's organization made fat jokes?
ThundaPC - June 22, 2010
/Tango
vivaelpujols - June 22, 2010
The fact that the mound was flat after each of his starts?
vivaelpujols - June 22, 2010
lol...
apparently that’s not funny around these parts anymore.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Just a heads up, we don't do chatspeak here.
ThundaPC - June 22, 2010
You all have a lot of rules.
i’ll try to play along as best i can but habits die hard and all.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
would you prefer me to type "dying laughing"?
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Haha works
Bearskin Rugburn - June 22, 2010
we actually have a macro set up at another cubs blog
so that LOL automatically turns into (dying laughing). It was put there as a way to make fun of a guy that used to always troll there and insert that into the middle of his sentences.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
We haven't been in the same thread for a while...
I wish our boys were giving your boys more competition.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
sorry
vivaelpujols - June 22, 2010
Would I be a troll if I suggested you trade for Silva?
I’m getting desperate. The better he does the bigger I fear his inevitable crash will be.
By the way, if you want to chat with some reasonable, LL-like Cub fans check out anothercubsblog. Here’s our (my) preview of your team for the Cubs-Mariners series:
http://www.anothercubsblog.net/2010-articles/june/movable-object-vs-resistible-force.html#comments
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
FEED ME!!!!
;-)
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
I was quoting Carlos Silva. That had nothing to do with my being a troll.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Silva fat jokes are dead dead dead dead dead around here.
Eyebrows - June 22, 2010 via mobile
They won't get old to me for a while.
But I can appreciate that.
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Yay Silva is not starting! Lilly in his place.
royalcurve - June 22, 2010
NO
Robert - June 22, 2010
NO NO NO
Robert - June 22, 2010
Don't worry Robert we can track him down
royalcurve - June 22, 2010
BONER KILLER
krb - June 22, 2010
Alright I know I just said people needed to get over Silva and all but this is a pallet of bullshit
Aaron Campeau - June 22, 2010
whew...
I was terrified the M’s were going to jump all over him and ruin his trade value. Of course, I have that fear before every start… but there would be something poetic about that collapse coming against the M’s.
Did I mention I want the Cubs to trade him before his value goes back down again?
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
BOOOOOOOOOOOO-URNS
I KNEW that was going to happen…
Omerta - June 22, 2010
Are you all going to have a game thread?
I’m in the middle of packing up to move out of your wonderful city, but will try to hang out here if I’m watching the game. I respect the hell out of Lookout Landing. The Cubs blogs I respect stopped caring about Cubs games weeks ago. (Yes, I realize that should be a clue.)
Shawn Domagal-Goldman - June 22, 2010
Yes, we are
Jeff Sullivan - June 22, 2010
Our best ones are when we are terrible!
Robert - June 22, 2010
Go get em, Robert!
royalcurve - June 22, 2010
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