Cliff Lee's next turn comes on June 29th, in New York. After that, it's July 4th, in Detroit. After that, it's July 9th, in Seattle.
Rumor has it that the Mariners are taking calls, and that Lee negotiations could move quickly. Which makes sense, in that Lee isn't a marginal upgrade, but rather a supermassive grail of an upgrade for whom every single start means a probable win. Contenders have a vested interest in landing Lee as quickly as possible, because every additional start he gets could mean an additional game in the standings.
Which means we might've just seen Cliff Lee's final start in Seattle.
What a start it was.
I'll write my goodbye letter when I have to. I'm certainly in no hurry, as I'd like to savor all this for as long as I can. While I know a Cliff Lee trade is in this organization's best interests, it's still an occasion I'll meet with grief and despair, because what we've seen from Cliff Lee through 11 starts is unlike anything we've ever seen from any other starter. His blend of tempo, command, and confidence is unmatched, and every game, every at bat is a blessing. Cliff Lee isn't just a pitcher. He's what we want every pitcher to become.
Still, if this was truly Lee's last start at Safeco Field, it was a start that showed off the whole package.
- Control. As noted in the post below this one, Lee threw 90 strikes out of 115 pitches, and according to Todd Dybas, he went 0-2 on an unfathomable 19 of the 34 batters he faced.
- Unhittability. The Cubs took 76 swings, whiffing on 17 of them and hitting fouls on another 34. When Lee needed a strikeout, he came up with one, as he did against Derrek Lee, Xavier Nady, and Starlin Castro in the sixth and seventh.
- Unflappability. Lee bounced back from Tyler Colvin's home run with a three-pitch strikeout, and when the Cubs had a runner in scoring position, they went 1-7 with a double play and four whiffs.
- Endurance. Again, Lee threw 115 pitches in throwing his second consecutive complete game, and third in four starts. At no point did it feel like he was tiring.
- Enjoyment. Cliff Lee is always smiling. We've said it a million times before. He's always smiling. It doesn't matter where he is, or what he's doing. He's always in a good mood, and after the final whiff, he was beaming left and right.
- Pace. An 8-1 ballgame was over in two hours and 28 minutes. Lee was impatient when batters stepped out of the box. He darted out onto the field for every upper half. One time, following a strikeout to end an inning, I went to my Excel sheet to enter it into my table, and when I looked up again, Lee was already in the dugout drinking water. Cliff Lee isn't a man that wastes a lot of time. He knows exactly what he wants to do in every situation, and more often than not, he does it.
Part of me hopes that this is Lee's final start as a Mariner, so we can see what we get and move ahead with trying to build a champion. And a big part - perhaps a bigger part - hopes that it isn't. A big part hopes that this never ends, that he never goes away. Because Cliff Lee is all I've ever wanted in a pitcher, and I don't think I could ever prepare myself to bid him farewell. This was supposed to last longer. We were supposed to do more.
I love Cliff Lee. I love him. And if this really was his last game in Seattle, he certainly went out with a bang, and I can only hope he heard us. I hope he heard us cheer.
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Gonna fly through these, as I'm sleepy:
- Starlin Castro is 20 years old. He came in with all of 162 plate appearances in the bigs, zero in AAA, and 243 in AA. Tonight, Lou Piniella asked him to face Cliff Lee. He struck out three times on ten pitches - once on a change, once on a cutter, and once on a curve that dropped from his eyes to the middle of the zone. Dick Wolf is writing a Law & Order: SVU episode about Starlin Castro's self-confidence.
- Cliff Lee is one of those guys that makes you wish baseball had another level. Something above the Majors. It would feature a lot of Lee, and a lot of Roy Halladay, and a lot of Adrian Gonzalez, and a lot of Ichiro, and way less Pedro Feliz. They could call it the Supermajor League. Or the Brigadier League. They could wear awesome tricorne hats.
- Last night, Lenny Wilkens came up to the booth and talked to Dave Sims for half an inning. Tonight, Nicholas Turturro came up to the booth with his kid and talked to Dave Sims for half an inning. I have nothing against Lenny Wilkens or whoever Nicholas Turturro is, but I didn't realize Bring Your Friends To Work Day was two days long. Nor did I realize it exists.
- I wonder if Jose Lopez even bothers running when he hits a fly ball to right or center field. He probably shouldn't.
- Speaking of Jose Lopez, he's now gone two weeks since drawing his last walk, and his walk rate is right on his career average at 3.4%. Setting goals is only good when you have any intent of following through with them. This one sounded crazy from the beginning. It's now officially a punchline.
- Since with some people we have no choice but to celebrate the little things, Casey Kotchman did a fine job in the fourth inning of reaching out and poking an outside changeup over Castro's head and into left field for an RBI single. That low and away change is a pitch that a lot of guys pound into the ground, but Kotchman of all people managed to get it some lift. It was hardly an impressive swing of the bat, but with the bases loaded and only one down, it could've gone a lot worse.
- A Michael Saunders comparison:
| Year |
BB% |
K% |
Contact% |
BA |
OPS |
| 2009 |
4.7% |
31.0% |
72.5% |
0.221 |
0.537 |
| 2010 |
8.2% |
28.9% |
73.3% |
0.225 |
0.727 |
Saunders' approach isn't visibly much better. He's still swinging through a lot of pitches. He still isn't showing much of an eye, as despite the higher walk rate, he's chased more balls out of the zone. But look at those last two columns. In 2010, the power has shown up. He's already got nine extra-base hits and five homers, to last year's four and zero, and the result is that he's actually been a halfway productive hitter.
Tonight, Saunders drew a four-pitch walk with the bases loaded, ripped a high-inside fastball from Randy Wells into right for a double, and then in the eighth, in what must have been a huge confidence boost, he got under an 0-1 curve from southpaw Sean Marshall and drilled it just over the fence in right-center. It was definitely more fly ball than line drive. It was Saunders' first career Major League home run against a lefty, and Marshall's not a bad lefty.
Saunders hasn't been the picture of consistency, and he may always be streaky, but he's now one back of the team lead in home runs despite having taken just 97 trips to the plate. It's great to see him bounce back after what last season must've done to his psyche. Though he's not all the way there, it is definitely far, far easier to see Saunders as a long-term everyday player now than it was last September. He's taken steps forward, and with one or two more, he will have arrived. I guess this means it's time to trade him for Paul Spoljaric.
Batting Saunders 9th continues to make less and less sense.
I’m beginning to think that he might even be the team’s best option for cleanup.
I Lick Squirrels - June 24, 2010
I was thinking the exact same thing after the game
would at least like to see him there once this season
C-Nage - June 24, 2010
at least
move him ahead of Johnson, Wilson, Kotchman (when he plays) etc.
wobatus - June 24, 2010
Kudos for working in the Spoljaric reference.
Now you gotta get Eric Gunderson in somehow.
Jack Swan - June 24, 2010
Oh god, Not Paul Spoljaric
Or Mike Timlin. I remember how awesome Jose Cruz Jr was (or at least i thought so) then they pulled him from a game in Milwaukee and announced he was traded. Man i was pissed.
bagsflyfree - June 24, 2010
That trade hurt more than the Randy or Griffey trades.
I can’t explain why, but as a young ‘un, that trade pissed me off more than any other trade the M’s have ever made.
Fuckmikereilly - June 24, 2010
Woody did not deserve to be fired for making that trade
He deserved to be drawn and quartered, especially considering he made the Lowe/Varitek for Slocumb deal the same day.
Kouvre - June 24, 2010
Ahh!!! That Slocumb trade still makes me so mad!
It still haunts me…
bomdal - June 24, 2010
I felt the same way.
Probably because Cruz was the first prospect I paid attention to and was quickly one of my favorite players.
Hopefulmsfan - June 24, 2010
Me too.
Kenneth Arthur - June 24, 2010
Same here.
I remember that felt like a kick in the balls.
Thingray - June 24, 2010
This brings me back to the comment a couple days ago when Tommy Everidge was traded.
“You don’t trade Roy Oswalt for Tommy Everidge”
That was pretty fuckin’ close. Trading the #12 prospect in baseball who was 1.5 WAR through 200 PA’s for that.
Kenneth Arthur - June 24, 2010
Yeah Cruz was the first time I got upset about a prospect being traded
I remember going through my Stats Inc Alamanacs trying to figure out why we went after Spoljaric and Hurtado.
bluemax - June 24, 2010
Me too! That trade gutted me.
I was obsessed with Jose Cruz Jr.
seattlesundevil - June 24, 2010
That was Darren Bragg for me as a wee lad.
Luckily I was just young and retarded.
BrettJMiller - June 24, 2010
Traded for some crappy junkballer who'll be out of baseball in a year.
msb - June 24, 2010
Darren Bragg was my favorite player
but I think I understood that he sucked.
Fuckmikereilly - June 24, 2010
I suspect the Jose Cruz Jr. trade was the 1990's version of the Erik Bedard/Adam Jones fiasco.
katal - June 24, 2010
It's not like they got an ace closer in return, just two decent relievers
Poochie - June 24, 2010
And we got an injury prone ace.
My primary point though was that Jones is reminding me a lot of Cruz Jr as far as the hype he had coming up, the bitter disappointment fans felt when he was traded, and the resulting player he became.
katal - June 24, 2010
And obviously it's far too early to judge Jones as a player, but he hasn't exactly hit as well as we thought he would in his first 2.5 seasons
katal - June 24, 2010
Before Jose Cruz Jr. there was Danny Tartabull.
I only hope we keep Z around for the next ten years. Otherwise I worry what terrible trade will define the next decade.
KC Mariner - June 24, 2010
I don't normally make comments about specific game notes, but I will here.
This is fucking brilliant.
They have this. It’s called half the AL East.
I Alt-3 everything you do, Jeff.
CapSea - June 24, 2010
I was just thinking about this Supermajor League.
And how little the roster would look like the All Star game. MLB fans are really stupid.
the other side - June 24, 2010
Yeah. The All-Star game is a popularity contest.
I hope that nobody who gets snubbed (colby rasmus) takes it personally.
Jon S. - June 24, 2010
with one change, yeah
Just replace Baltimore with either Minnesota or Texas, and, yeah.
Paul AB - June 24, 2010
Don't forget...
Mike Timlin… with a trade of Adam Moore and Luke French for Heathcliff Slocumb to follow. Except, those moves actually “won” the Mariners a division title. These moves would just piss Mariners fans off.
jameslcrockett - June 24, 2010
Keep Lee and give him his 1 billion
The thing is, Lee is a joy to watch, and you know you are going to get a well-pitched game with Lee on the mound. We have no idea what we’ll get for him.
Lee is instant good. It’s almost painful to think of the process of waiting to see if what we get pans out.
PackBob - June 24, 2010
The irrational part of my brain is slowly starting to take over the rational part of my brain
Telling me things like the Mariners won’t find a suitable enough return at the deadline to justify moving Lee and that he’ll end up pitching the rest of the season in Seattle and then sign a long-term deal with the club because he’s a frequent reader of LL and realizes how much he means to this team and its fans.
At that point I go back to lying down on the couch, put some lipstick on, and listen to ELO’s “Telephone Line”.
ThomasG - June 24, 2010
If Cliff Lee has been reading LL, he's probably sufficiently weirded out by fanboy-ism.
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
*by our
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
It sure beats a fanbase that throws batteries at players and barfs on little children.
ThomasG - June 24, 2010
True!
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
Lopez?
Why not bench him, move figgy to 3rd, josh to 2nd, and bat Saunders 4th? Lopez is useless, and is not tradeable. Make him the utility guy.
(Then sign Lee to a 5 year contract…)
New England Fan - June 24, 2010
Yes, because getting Josh Wilson into the lineup is that important.
CstSnow - June 24, 2010
I think the point here is getting Loafie out of the lineup
Jon S. - June 24, 2010
I hope GMZ tells Lee that whatever the highest offer he gets this offseason, Seattle will double it.
Wilder. - June 24, 2010
This made tears spring to my eyes. :(
royalcurve - June 24, 2010
It's hard to care about the team's long term success after starts like that
Fuck 2012. I want to watch Lee mow down the Yankees on the 29th. I want to watch him for the rest of the season.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 24, 2010
I know people don't like speculation like this
But trading Lee to Texas makes a ton of sense to me for the following reasons:
1) Texas has a ton of good prospects that we could use.
2) Cliff Lee would improve the odds of the Angels not making the playoffs.
3) We might still get to see Cliff Lee once or twice in Seattle before Seasons end.
zeeehjee - June 24, 2010
Makes a lot of sense
but I don’t see Texas giving us the kind of prospects Lee is worth. It’s have to start with Perez and build up from there.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 24, 2010
But I think Jack definitely is hoping Texas gets heavily involved and wins.
Hard to imagine it working though.
Kenneth Arthur - June 24, 2010
Texas needs to get their ownership situation straightened out before they worry about getting Lee.
KC Mariner - June 24, 2010
It's pretty much straightened out already
The creditors aren’t likely to succeed in challenging the sale now that MLB has stepped in.
OlSalty - June 24, 2010
The question is when this gets settled
These things generally don’t happen very fast, and the deadline is rapidly approaching. And Lee isn’t lasting until the deadline.
Jeff Sullivan - June 24, 2010
Will that really stop them from pursuing him in the meantime, though?
Since this wouldn’t be so much a question of finances
OlSalty - June 24, 2010
Wouldn't it?
He’s still due nearly $5m. I suppose the M’s could always eat some of the money to get a better return.
Jeff Sullivan - June 24, 2010
This is why I think JD won't give up the kind of prospects it would take to get Lee
We’d have to cover his salary which basically means one more player. On top of what already needs to be an awesome package.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 24, 2010
I think it would.
Maybe I’m not understanding the process here, but if MLB swoops in and seizes the team leaving the investors out cold, wouldn’t the Rangers then become a ward of MLB until such time as they turn around and sell the team (presumably to the Ryan/Greenburg group)? Would MLB owners (who already have extended credit to the Rangers) really want to bankroll an increase in payroll for them?
Plus, if as Jeff suggests the M’s eat payroll to make it happen, wouldn’t that make the asking price for Lee too high? The Mariners would need something pretty substantial back from the Rangers in the first place just to satisfy the fanbase after trading him to a division rival. If they ate money off a reasonable contract wouldn’t that add even more to what the Rangers would have to cough up?
KC Mariner - June 24, 2010
It depends on what they're willing to do, which we really don't know
If they figure this is their year and want a deep playoff run to welcome in the new ownership, maybe eating Lee’s salary would be enough to pry one of their better pitching prospects from them. This is all just speculation of course, but if they really wanted to get a deal done it’s not like they couldn’t figure out a way to do it even with the sale still pending.
OlSalty - June 24, 2010
I don't totally discount the idea of a trade with Texas.
I just think that Texas would really need to blow Z out of the water if he ate salary. If Z trades him in the division there would most likely be a premium asked for in return and to eat salary on top of that would require a huge return. I’m not against that scenerio, but the situation with ownership and the idea of trading Lee within the AL West really stack the deck against a deal.
KC Mariner - June 24, 2010
I wonder if we could snag Feliz in the deal, as well as steal all their young talent.
Maybe cripple their divisional chances for the next couple seasons.
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
The Rangers aren't stupid. A lot of their young talent is already a big part of their present in Andrus, Feliz, Smoak and potentially Holland.
abender20 - June 24, 2010
I wish they were stupid.
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
I like how you said "I know people don't like speculation like this" but went ahead and did it anyway
Jeff Nye - June 24, 2010
This is off topic but [deleted, off topic]
Matthew - June 24, 2010
Man, I miss those days :(
Jeff Nye - June 24, 2010
Is there any reason we wouldn't try to resign Lee in the offseason even after trading him?
(Other then payroll constraints) He’s not going to sign a extension with whoever he is traded to.
Scruffy Lefty - June 24, 2010
It's probably not a good idea to sign him in the offseason
hard as it may be to believe right now. We’re not a team that can easily absorb that kind of contract.
Bearskin Rugburn - June 24, 2010
Sure, you just have to outbid the Yankees!
Kenneth Arthur - June 24, 2010
Also of note: The M's are the 14th team in history to allow 1 run or less for 6 straight games.
If Felix and Co. (hopefully no Co., just Felix) allows 1 run or less, only two teams have ever done that.
Kenneth Arthur - June 24, 2010
Felix Day has become the Boxing Day to Cliff Lee's Christmas.
katal - June 24, 2010
I'm uncomfortable with this analogy!
Boo!
sanford_and_son - June 24, 2010
A ghost!
katal - June 24, 2010
Cliffmas.
msb - June 24, 2010
Be-LEE Big!
-2010 Mariners!
kentroyals5 - June 24, 2010
I was smiling while reading this post until the very last sentence.
The Spoljaric related hatred still runs deep within me.
Floyd Gondoli - June 24, 2010
And he just won't stop pitching.
the Barrie Baycats, these days.
msb - June 24, 2010
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