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Michael Pineda's Debut

Pineda threw six shutout innings last night against Salt Lake, allowing one hit and three walks while striking out five. He scraped the high 90s with his fastball, and some reports say that Salt Lake hitters looked as uncomfortable as any opponent the Rainiers have faced in a while.

In other words, it was an overall success for the developing phenom. Since I wasn't there to watch, I asked three questions of a couple people who were - Tacoma announcer Mike Curto, and social drinker Ryan Divish.

1) In your opinion, what was Pineda's most impressive moment?

Curto:

Definitely striking out Peter Bourjos with runners at 2nd and 3rd to end the fifth inning. He got him with all sliders and changes – really the only time he strayed from the fastball in the game.

Divish:

Most impressive moment for me was the fifth when he walked Conger, and then gave up the single to McAnulty. So there's runners on first and second with no outs and he comes back strikes out Terry Evans going fastball 95 for a called strike, fastball 96 - ball 1, fastball 94 (fouled off), fastball 95 (fouled off) and then freezing him with a nasty slider. He then throws four fastballs to Carlos Colmenares and saws him off for an easy grounder to first, but the runners move up. So with runners on second and third and two outs and Peter Bourjos - a decent player up - he goes slider (called strike), slider (made Bourjos look silly) and slider low and away that Bourjos waved at.  He's 21 and he didn't even flinch in that situation.

Also he hit 96 in the sixth inning at about 95 pitches. And his fastball is moving a lot. Moore said it cuts and dives like Felix's fastball at times.

2) In your opinion, what was Pineda's biggest flaw?

Curto:

Fastball command, missing up with it for a long stretch in the 4th and 5th innings.

Divish:

Biggest flaw to me is that he is a little fastball heavy and he doesn't always throw inside. His command is so good he likes to just pound that outside corner with it. But he needs to be able to go inside on hitters. Advanced scouting gets better at each level. And teams will figure out what he's doing. He said he could tell in just one start how much better hitters are at making adjustments. His change and his slider have good movement, he needs to throw them more. And I'm sure he will as the season goes on. He's learning how to pitch, not just throw. It's a process that takes time. We saw it with Felix.

3) How would you summarize Pineda's AAA debut?

Curto:

It was an excellent debut, he was poised and in command, it seemed – didn’t get rattled when his command wandered in the middle innings. Salt Lake was geared up for him, they started four lefties and two switch hitters on purpose, they were fired up to get him, they had a patient approach – and he still one-hit them for six innings.

Divish:

I thought his Triple A debut was outstanding. There was the stretch where he walked three of four hitters and seemed to lose command of his fastball. Adam Moore and Pineda (from what I could understand) talked about his arm opening up too soon and that's why it was running away from left-hander hitters. Moore said he reminded Pineda to get on top more and Pineda said he made the adjustment, which is good to see, that he listens. After watching my fair share of Rainiers games with the likes of Chris Seddon, Andy Baldwin and the annoying Jake Woods back in the day, Pineda brings a buzz to the stadium and to the team.

You can find Divish's blog post here. Many thanks to both of them for helping me out.

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Nicely done.
I guess this means Moore's hamstring is okay?

I saw he tweaked it, but hadn’t heard anything since.

Well, he did have to come out of the game late (6th/7th?).

He’s been on a tear since rejoining the Rainiers though.

This makes me happy.

I still have high hopes for him.

Indeed.

My view of him hasn’t changed a whole lot since Spring Training. Plenty of time.

Nice

I was flipping back and forth between the M’s game (when we were at bat) and this game on gameday. It was clear that Pineda was completely in control except for a short stretch when he couldn’t spot his fastball (and now we have an explanation – thanks Ryan).

Until that time he was around 75% strikes and dealing. After also. Of course, you can’t cherry pick innings, but what I’d like to stress is that at 21, in his first game at a higher level and facing a pretty good club Pineda had a mini meltdown, kept his shit together, made the necessary adjustment and just kept going. He was pulled after 6 innings and 90 pitches.

Completely agree w/Div - seeing him get out of trouble was great.

I’m a little confused by the momentary loss of command – it was very clearly a mechanical issue, but it’s not normal for guys whose mechanics up and leave them occasionally to post K:BB ratios like Pineda has.

Barring injury, how likely are we to see him get a few innings in with the M's come September?
Hard to say-- all up to them.

But I can see them using him in the big league bullpen as they wind him down for the season. Depends on how many innings they want him to throw this year.

I just want to see a little live video of him pitcing

otherwise I hope the club is conservative with him.

Divish took some last night. Is it in the blog?
I took video of him too

But i was not behind the plate like he was

Would love to see it.
Mine is some side angle of his pitches, His mechanics and the horrible pitch speed tracker

After the 3rd inning the pitch speed kept saying 34-48

The radar gun at cheney is really, really good.

The problem was the guys sitting in the seats where the gun is located; they knocked the damn gun, so it wasn’t catching pineda’s pitches at all, and instead reported the velocity of the throw from the catcher back to Pineda. Reallllly annoying. But they were able to fix it by the 5th/6th.

Damn, that's the one thing I didn't do that I was going to do...

But, then, Jason had the video camera and I was too busy essentially watching Pineda through my ‘telescope’ to record video on my Canon G9…

Not particularly good.

JAC has some good video but unfortunately it’s unfortunately subscriber only.

Unfortunately?

He does have to buy beer for his photographer…

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Whoa... too much unfortunately.
This only kind of makes up for the probable Cliff Lee departure.
Not even a little.
Mentioned this at USSM, but Peter Bourjos

Led off against Cliff Lee when Lee made his rehab start in Tacoma, and then led off last night v. Pineda. Poor fella.

Divish's blog mentions it, but as he was warming up, about half the team sauntered over to watch.

Everyone was interested in the guy.

Everyone was watching him

I took some pictures of his bullpen

Sweet.

This is probably wrong, but I’m starting to feel like even if Pineda turns out a bit of a bust he’d still be a useful major leaguer. He’s too good at too many things at too young an age to bust completely, and I have never felt this way about a Seattle prospect (only started tracking the minors when Felix was already in AAA, so he doesn’t count).

As long as his arm doesn't break.

He could be a fine reliever right now, so the (non-injury) floor has been raised pretty high at this point.

I'd like to think career ending injury is unlikely enough at this point

and at 21 he can lose a whole year and still be well ahead of the curve, right? Knock on wood and so on.

It's not just about time lost. Could lose arm strength (velocity), have to adjust mechanics (command), and so on.

Here’s to health.

You're right of course

Its why I said ‘this is probably wrong’. Hard to contain my excitement after years of promoting Nageotte, Blackley, Fister, Feierabend, R-S… I don’t remember the last time we brought up a prospect with frontline stuff (non Felix class). Was it Meche?

Nageotte and Blackley were unfortunately slightly broken by the time they came up.

By that time, throwing sliders for nine out of every ten pitches had caught up to Nags and he couldn’t even throw a two-seam without it hurting him.

On pre-injury stuff, he could have been frontline.

also, Madritsch?

Really excited

I think he could be a good #2 next year, maybe Bedard comes back since he’ll only start around 10 games this year, max. Then we have another great 1-2-3 punch

#2 next year in his rookie season is setting bar awfully high.

That’s just unfair to him.

Even pitching in the back of the rotation for a 22 year old is pretty good.

The #2 starter might be pushing it.

This might do him more harm than good
If he proves himself against AAA hitting and stay healthy Pineda can be a consensus top 10 prospect heading into next season.

That feels awesome to say again, especially about a starting pitching prospect.

Amen to that.
Hmm

And here I was higher on Juan Ramirez when they were teaming in a pretty good rotation in Single A. (Nathan Adcock was also with them)

Really glad to see Pineda developing. Especially since losing Ramirez sucked to me personally…though it was completely negated because we got CLIFF LEE.

Here’s to health.

Ramirez never earned the Soriano comps people were giving him.
"Pineda brings a buzz to the stadium and to the team."

Well there were like 20 people there instead of the usual 15.

Nowhere near as many as I’d expected. It was a hell of a day to be at the park too.

Its ever better sitting behind drunks
We were chatting w/Curto in the press box pre-game...

Reminded us it’s $2 beer Thursday. There’s a double-header. What’s better than 5+ hours of baseball and $2 beer?

Yeah, I think I’ll avoid Cheney today…

No kidding.

Curto did a great job of hyping Pineda up on Tuesday; he speculated that lots of people might’ve gone north to watch Lee, which… I understand that. But I’m still stunned by how empty it was.

The parking lot was reasonably full.

I was surprised how many of hte good seats were left empty.

I hate that; they carve out 75% of the parking lot for the gold club

whether they show up or not.

I bet they have about 10 people in the Gold Club

its so annoying! Hell, Only about 100 show up for the game, gold club or not!

One of these days I'm getting Diamond Club season tix for Everett.

The whole season costs about as much as one game at Safeco.

Oh the opportunities for PITCHFACE!

LOTS more where that came from.

He's already a pitch face All Star.

Just waiting for the rest of his game to catch up.

Yup

PositivePaul,

Could I get a file or 2 of Pineda that you took? I assume those are your photos? Thanks

They're technically mine...

…but I don’t get ‘em if I don’t have credentials through Churchill. What do ya need ’em for?

Autographs

I get them printed and signed. LMK if you could hook me up

I love the range of pitchface he'd go through.

The Lee-style ‘smile’ only lasted a split second. Then, it was more the angry pitchface:

I really like that he's often smiling and looking like he's having a hell of a time out there.

It will take the sting off the inevitable Cliff Lee departure.

I take it the sliders were of the nasty, diabolical variety?

And that they stank.

There were a few of them that were awesome.

In particular, one that he threw with runners on second and third with two outs to open the at-bat. But he was throwing a lot of fastballs mostly from what I saw.

They did convey a certain odor, yes.

There was a lot of horiz. movement, but overall, the pitch was slower than I thought it’d be. This isn’t a Strasburg-style 90mph slider. It’s slower than, say, Felix’s slider – i think many were in the 82-83 MPH range. All in all, they were good, but not at the level of the Royal Curve from 2005, or Lincecum’s change or anything.
He used his FB a ton, and got great results from it. That’s something worth celebrating right there. He’s pitching to a lot of lefties with MLB experience and getting outs with a well-located FB. Cool. I’d like to see more of this diabolical slider in the future, however.

One of the pitches to Bourjos DEF. looked like a change to me, but the scouts said slider, apparently. I think Divish said it was something like 12 sliders and maybe 5 CH on the night. Pretty FB-heavy.

Lots of FB=Good

Less chance of hurting his arm, Seattle didn’t even let Felix throw his slider in games till his 2nd season in the MLB I think

What about his change-up?
Not enough to really get a sense of it. I wanted to see it more, but he just didn't need it.

Perhaps more interesting is that it looked like he was toying with some sort of 2-seamer, esp. to lefties. Divish thought the same thing, so it’s not just me. But he threw a fastball in the low 90s (as opposed to 94-96) with some run on it. Again, this isn’t something I’m sure of, just what it looked like to me. I’d chip in personally towards the costs of installing a pitch fx system at Cheney….

He does have a cutter he'll use against left-handers.

It’s reasonably effective, which is one of the reasons why he hasn’t thrown the change-up as much. There wasn’t a huge need for it.

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