Biggest Contribution: Franklin Gutierrez, +5.5%
Biggest Suckfest: Felix Hernandez, -13.1%
Most Important AB: Johnson single, +8.6%
Most Important Pitch: Hamilton double, -13.8%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -12.3%
Total Contribution by Lineup: -43.3%
Total Contribution by Opposition: +5.6%
(What is this chart?)
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Is there someplace lower on the chart than the Tropic of Cairo?
Because I think I found it. The declare this to be the Isthmus of Vidro.
wyte_lightning - June 8, 2010
Is that before or after the Bay of Bloomquist?
Which is, of course, very gritty.
Rachmaninoff - June 8, 2010
It's near the Cirillo Archipelago.
James F'n X - June 8, 2010
Vidro Meridian would make more thematic sense.
JAH - June 8, 2010
The Doldrums
strudel - June 8, 2010
So interesting story.
My lady is having a baby and so playing the role of excited future father I started looking up names for my future boy (I hope). Anyways I was looking through the “C” names and I ran across Cairo…and the meaning of Cairo is “Victorious”.
I do not kid.
Mariner Melee - June 8, 2010
I'm hoping you have a "very special baby girl". Congratulations!
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Thanks.
Mariner Melee - June 8, 2010
You want him to have an autistic baby? What a @#*&.
The Typical Idiot Fan - June 9, 2010
Ah TIF, how I have missed you.
Mariner Melee - June 9, 2010
in fairness
if I were a Mariners hitter and I saw Felix doing so poorly, I would automatically think “I’ll not suck later since we all suck today.”
dantheman3k - June 8, 2010
What a fucked up game
aussie_chop - June 8, 2010
What the fuck Felix.
YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS
the other side - June 8, 2010
BOO
I think we all as fans need to “Boo” a little more often. If the Yankees players make “bone head plays” or the manager does not execute from the bench they hear it from the fans. The fans pay the tickets and buy the merchandise, I think we deserve more. If we stay quite they will continue to make poor decisions and still rake in the revenue because in their minds we are happy with Mediocrity. I say next home stand we let them know what we think, what else can we do….. I mean am a season ticket holder, I invested in the team expecting good returns. Unlike the stock market I can’t sell my stock when the upper management sinks the company!
wakeupcall - June 8, 2010
I don't think many baseball decisions are made based on whether or not fans boo.
Kaorikaze - June 8, 2010
Your right...what else can we do....we are just the lemming that keep watching...
wakeupcall - June 8, 2010
Is this Geoff Baker?
wyte_lightning - June 8, 2010
What are his thoughts on Octavio Dotel?
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Ackley might be enough to get him.
BrianL - June 8, 2010
Man we could have just gotten Dontrelle Willis!!!
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
So stop watching and vote with your wallet
That’s the only way changes get made, if people stop going and spending money on games.
pdb - June 8, 2010
Isn't this Copyrighted?
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
If so you owe me a dollar
pdb - June 8, 2010
Damnshit.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Yankess fans are retarded
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
If that was true that means I would be 1/4 retarded since my grandfather was a Yankee fan.
Robert - June 8, 2010
Well....
wyte_lightning - June 8, 2010
Give the guy a break...he was born into that.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Sports brainwashing is a terrible thing to watch.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Only 1/4?
the other side - June 8, 2010
Cliff Lee's brillance is making me start to not like Felix.
SethGrandpa - June 8, 2010
Err...brilliance.
SethGrandpa - June 8, 2010
I agree. Felix has not been much of a King Lately. Lee is an Ace and a King.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Felix was pretty nasty against Minnesota. But I agree, that this season he looks like pre-2009 Felix
and Cliff Lee is a much better pitcher than pre 2009 Felix
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Felix was fucked the moment he put pen to paper
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
I wish we had Cliff Lee locked up rather than Felix.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Cliff Lee is is 32
Felix is 24.
Jesus Christ, people.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
I agree he hasn't been great of late but seriously guys. This guy is our franchise.
All he needs is a good swift kick in the ass to get him on his way. You really wish we hadn’t signed him to that extension? Really?
the other side - June 8, 2010
I don't think that's Mr. Blue's point.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Nah, that's pretty much it.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
Well alrighty then.
Internet!
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Take several elongated objects through the frontal lobes of both you and any loved ones that my be pregnant.
Robert - June 8, 2010
Uhhh...no. That wasn't my point.
SethGrandpa - June 9, 2010
Warning: Reactionary.
Dear Felix,
Fuck you. Fuck you for letting us down tonight and most of May. Yeah you weren’t horrible. Yeah the offense sucked (again). I get that you’re frustrated. But the guy that pitches the days before you do is getting 10x the success out of 1/3 the ability. Maybe you should fucking take a god damn clue, pull your head out of your ass and actually come out in the first inning and pitch instead of just firing pitches in the vicinity of home plate and waiting until you’re 25 pitches in or there’s guys on base before you buckle down and take it seriously.
You aren’t the problem, far from it. But this team was designed with with the idea of being dominant not just good. You have the best stuff in the AL. Please learn. You are not that young anymore and I swear to God you’re going to give me a heart attack watching you pitch like you’re 19 all the damn time.
I want to love you and look forward to watching you pitch again. You’re fucking killing me.
Sincerely,
-Nate
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
I would put my John Hancock at the bottom of that.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Also, stop insisting on using Rob as your catcher. He can't FUCKING catch.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Underlined 100 times.
w00tah - June 8, 2010
He has a 3.64 xFIP as opposed to a 3.42 xFIP last season.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
And this time last season he hadn't really turned it on yet
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
Like I said I'm aware I'm being reactionary.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
So if you are aware of it then check it.
I get the frustration, I really do, but this reads like people blaming Ichiro for 2008.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
Wait, what?
People who are frustrated watching Felix this season aren’t being irrational.
His xFIP being only slightly different notwithstanding, he’s showing signs of reverting back to Dumb Felix, and that does not bode well for his future.
Jeff Nye - June 8, 2010
The Hamilton double and the Smoak single were both really, really dumb pitches
1-2 and 0-2 fastballs over the plate, respectively
Griffin Cooper - June 8, 2010
The Hamilton pitch was pretty solid.
Hamilton’s a damn freak.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
If my memory serves me, he had just whiffed at a curveball (or maybe even 2)
And Josh Hamilton is not the type of hitter you want to challenge when it isn’t necessary
Griffin Cooper - June 8, 2010
It was low and on the black. I get the pitch selection quibble but I don't think
you can label that pitch a mistake.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
That one was less obvious than the Smoak one
I just don’t think a fastball is the right call in either of those situations.
Griffin Cooper - June 8, 2010
The Smoak pitch was pure balls.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
You scare me with this statement.
Mariner Melee - June 8, 2010
I pretty explicitly said he's not the problem.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
I know.
This was an overreaction on my part, and I apologize. I get frustrated with Felix as well, but he’s still a damned good player and I think there are plenty of other places to focus the blame.
But with that said, I shouldn’t have been so rash. Mea culpa.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
Bygones.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
I'm over-reacting also, but damn.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
It really does feel like we're watching pre-2009 Felix lately.
Minus his last start or two.
Hopefulmsfan - June 8, 2010
Well at least I can watch the rest of the season in apathy
instead of misery.
Slow Country - June 8, 2010
Wrong motherfucker.
Now is when they win another 3 in a row.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Seattle Mariners: Professional Heartbreakers
wyte_lightning - June 8, 2010
Heartbreakers isn't the right word. Hopetakers maybe?
SethGrandpa - June 8, 2010
No worries. They aren't going to win 3 in a row.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
At least the draft was good!
tait644 - June 8, 2010
Yes, and with the imminent Lee trade our system will get another boost. Either that or we'll get two
juicy picks in addition to what seems like a surefire Top 5 or Top 10 pick of our own. Next year’s draft is apparently going to be one of the better ones in recent history, so those picks will be very nice.
By this time next year our farm system should start to look pretty damn good and we can start to see the light at the end of this shitty tunnel we’ve been stuck in for 9 years…
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
I worry that if we wind up with the bonus picks
we’ll pass on the best available talent because of fears about big money signing bonuses. So we’ll wind up with pretty much the same talent we would normally draft, but just be drafting them way ahead of where they ought to be picked.
johnbai - June 8, 2010
Let me just add that today really sucked..
Seattle radio all day pretty much had guest after guest talk about how shitty our clubhouse has become and how Wak isn’t taken seriously. Then we get to watch our King get his brains knocked in, while we act like clowns on the basepaths.
Tinsley and Johnson looking at each other like “What the fuck” as Rob walked to the dugout pretty much sums up this season. I’ve never seen a team with such issues in regards to third base coaching.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Didn't listen to any radio today - was it really that bad?
I feel kind of bad for Wak, but he’s made a whole lot of bonehead decisions, and while it certainly isn’t the sole reason we’re in such a shitty position, it has most definitely contributed.
Griffin Cooper - June 8, 2010
It was pretty terrible.
On 710 at least, I can’t speak for any other stations.
wyte_lightning - June 8, 2010
Yeah, I only listen to 710. Lots of buzz that the players aren't taking him seriously and don't
think he knows what the hell he’s doing
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
However, if your examples of players speaking out = losing your clubhouse are...
Ian Snell (shall I give you the links of times over the last 5 years that Snell has shot his mouth off post-game? It doesn’t seem to indicate anything about the manager and all about Snell) and a very frustrated Figgins, who is experiencing losing for the first time under the only manager he has had other than Mike Scioscia?
I’m sure there is tension, I’m sure there is some eye-rolling, but I think I need an example other than this pair
msb - June 8, 2010
I feel bad for Wak too
I so badly want to love him as a manager that I actually do despite what might be rational- I can’t even imagine him being fired, but I feel like that’s not too far away.
Corco - June 8, 2010
I like Wak, but I don't think he's had a good year managing. Both in-game and in regards to handling players
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Its not just Wak. Everybody on this team seems to have forgot how to do their jobs.
Except the super sex trio of Ichiro, Franklin, and Cliff.
JAH - June 8, 2010
You know who the forth almost super sex guy almost is...
Vargas.
Who would have thought that ever?
Great Sergios Ghost - June 8, 2010
I was going to say Fister. How can he not be on that list?
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
No one's gonna replace him and do better.
These players got the team in this position As much as I hate the DH fiasco and Rob Johnson the primary issues are that the players have put in dogshit performances this year. Last year they played well and Wak looked like a genius. This year they’re playing like crap and he looks like an idiot.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Exactly.
Shannon Drayer was going off tonight and talked about how Wak has not been the greatest but the players are the one who have turned in such poor performances. Once again, further proof that winning leads to chemistry, not the other way around.
Hopefulmsfan - June 8, 2010
I think we'd all love Wak to be our guy.
But my god the poor calls, the horrid baserunning, the massive across the board under achieving… I know management thought this was our guy but it’s time to start this season over while we still have a legit shot. He isn’t improving.
Seriously, are we up to 100 baserunning errors yet?
Great Sergios Ghost - June 8, 2010
How does the manager fix the baserunning?
msb - June 8, 2010
Does not allow Rob Johnson onto them.
Although in his defense Rob usually does a pretty good job of that by himself.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Pick better coaches. Better teaching. Punishment for continual failure on the basepaths.
I actually think things like baserunning has a lot to do with the manager and his staff.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
What recourse does he have?
sitting the baserunner? then who does he play?
msb - June 8, 2010
He's a manager. The players are supposed to follow the plan he sets out.
You can easily say that player A should be responsible for his own baserunning and his own attention level.
I agree with that, but I also think the manager is somewhat to blame when there are constant mistakes like that being made. If numerous players aren’t giving their maximum attention/focus to an area of the game, I put some of that on the manager.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
I can't imagine punishment works to well on dudes over 25 years of age
at the height of an elite profession.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Most dudes
regardless of station in life, have similar brains. And similar brains respond to punishment similarly.
johnbai - June 8, 2010
Let me rephrase:
The kind of punishment that Wak has at his disposal strikes me as either non sufficient or non suitable for producing better performance out of his players. Maybe for someone like Saunders or Josh Wilson but not for the team as a whole.
TheBishop - June 9, 2010
I agree that it has to do a lot with his staff
I’m just not sure how much input the manager has in terms of picking his staff, or if he can do much else besides choose who can or can’t play. I could be wrong though
bomdal - June 8, 2010
Yeah, the manager's job is simply to put the players in position to win, get them motivated to
perform, and to help them maximize their potential.
I see very little success in any of these areas with this year’s team.
Same stupid mistakes are being made day in and day out. They obviously aren’t motivated given the reports that some of them are pretty much blowing off what Wak has to say.
He’s not doing his job well this season, and while you can argue that the players are to blame, he’s the one responsible for getting the most out of these guys.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
So he magically got the most out of them last year, and lost the ability this year?
msb - June 8, 2010
That's the life of a big league manager. The good ones get the most out of their guys
more often that not.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Okay so what, in your view, would this team's records be with say.....
Joe Torre at the helm?
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
I'd say we'd be closer to playing to our true talent level if Torre was the manager.
I don’t think Wak has done much right this season.
As anti-sabermetrics as it sounds, the best managers due make some difference just in setting a tone and creating an environment where players more often than not play to their potential.
I think we’d be a couple games under .500 with a top tier manager.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Well that's just nuts
and I hate Wak.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
Perhaps a different manager eeks out 3 other wins from different pitching decisions.
I mean there has been a ridiculous amount of walkoffs. But a couple over .500? Thats like 8 wins.
the other side - June 8, 2010
I refuse to believe that Wak is one of the worst managers in baseball history
which, if he were, would put him as something in the neighborhood of -2-3 wins.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
No not at all.
I said 3 purely because the completely ridiculous amount of close games that in a normal season go our way half of the time. Has Wak actually cost us 3 wins? Don’t think so.
the other side - June 8, 2010
I didn't give you an exact number and Im not saying Torre would have
this team .500 or better. I know there are a lot of bad players on this team.
I just don’t think Wak has gotten anything out of this team whatsoever. They are 12 games under and that is unacceptable given that this team’s personnel isn’t horrible.
He deserves some blame for that and based on the buzz from all these beat reporters, he’s not doing a good job communicating with players or establishing an environment where guys are playing to their potential.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Players playing below their potential isn't the manager's fault.
You can put the bad bullpen usage and baserunning on him fairly; but he can’t exactly tell Kotchman to stop grounding out, etc.
Coaching can only do so much, and it’s really a pretty small effect. The rest is up to the players.
Jeff Nye - June 8, 2010
We will never know if this teams under performance is Wak's fault or not.
In my personal opinion it’s not.
the other side - June 8, 2010
I don't want to be too hard on Wak, because I blame the players
and the GM moreso than him. I don’t think some of these guys we took gambles on have been worth a damn, and that’s more Z’s fault than Wak’s.
However, 12 games under, is 12 games under and I can’t sit here and say Wak is doing a good job. Too many players have performed below expectations (reasonable ones at that), the focus appears to be lacking, communication doesn’t appear strong (Figgins, Griffey, Snell, etc), and I don’t think the team’s overall results could be any worse 1/3 of the way through this season.
So while I don’t think Wak is holding this team back from being AL West champs, I have a hard time saying that he’s doing a good job.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
Fair enough.
Z was forced to take some gambles in both 09 and 10. It worked brilliantly in 09. Not so much this year. I still very much like the overall direction of this organization. Despite the losses I see an overall upward trend and some good years to come.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Same here. Jack has done a great job overall.
He just inherited a bad farm system and a pretty crappy big league roster.
In a couple of years things should be much better.
Rudy4three - June 8, 2010
I agree they can make a difference.
But Wak was hailed as a savant last year and everyone agreed that the team overachieved. This year they suck and he’s getting flogged. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Horseapples.
The good ones are lucky enough to have guys that want to compete.
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
It's Milton. He's a witch!
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
The Strasburg game thread getting more buzz than a Felix Day makes me a sad panda.
JAH - June 8, 2010
You're surprised that the debut of the most highly anticipated prospect in the history of baseball to date outdrew a game involving a team that is basically cooked?
abender20 - June 8, 2010
On this website? A little.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
You must have missed 2008
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
It's still Felix.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
I love Strasburg like a father
Jeff Sullivan - June 8, 2010
Why is this so?
I see him and think of what might have been.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
He is the sort of player that could very well belong to a generation
Aaron Campeau - June 8, 2010
I know. I really enjoyed watching him tonight.
But I can’t help having the thrill somewhat muted by the pain of knowing he was so close to being ours.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Yep, I have finally gotten past the what could have been and thoroughly enjoyed a masterful pitching performance.
Any baseball fan should be able to appreciate what they saw today.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Or yesterday. CLIFF FUCKING LEE pitched a pretty awesome game.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Yes. That is exactly why I love pitching duels.
Nothing better than watching an exciting, dominant, fast working pitcher. You, I’m looking at you Felix.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Oh Yeah. I'm with you here.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
I am now well on my way to hating.
Robert - June 8, 2010
I'll be there in a week
Jeff Sullivan - June 8, 2010
Go Mike Stanton!
Robert - June 8, 2010
I'm all about Ryan Feierabend
I think he’s good and rested
Jeff Sullivan - June 8, 2010
No, I'm bummed at the circumstances. Our shitty team played a shitty, unwatchable game, and a pitcher who had a good chance of being ours pitched a historic opener.
JAH - June 8, 2010
Mariners Baseball
Janic - June 8, 2010
Can't quite see it.
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Thats what makes it brilliant.
Mariners baseball – failure.
the other side - June 8, 2010
As I said in tonight's game thread, Ouch.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
Mariners baseball gets butt-fucked by a sled?
lemonverbena - June 9, 2010
Why do I still watch?
Why do I still want to watch? I must be a sadomasochistic .
Mariner Melee - June 8, 2010
Why do any of us? Perhaps we are hopeless optimists.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
I hate Lookout Landing.
Robert - June 8, 2010
Felix will pitch better. He's got to. We've signed him for like 5 years.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
I never said that I hated anything about Felix.
Robert - June 8, 2010
I know. I thought you were reacting to some of the Felix negativity.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
I am.
Robert - June 8, 2010
Well, it's been justified a little bit these past couple of weeks.
It’s not like he’s been locking anything up.
TrustBaseball - June 8, 2010
It's severity is really surprising.
Now I want to go give Felix a big hug. Well…more than usual.
the other side - June 8, 2010
Can we still be friendsies or do I need to stab myself with my own cock?
TheBishop - June 8, 2010
Goddamnit Felix.
Goose - June 8, 2010
I can't badmouth Felix.
I can’t.
Mariner Melee - June 8, 2010
I feel bad for Felix because with normal run support and a decent bullpen
he would have racked up more Ws early on, so the occasional bad game or two would just be part of the ordinary ebb and flow. Although baseball is a team game there are a lot of individual statistics which every sees.
If Felix’s ERA was down but his W-L was good this helps get into the All-Star game, get votes for Cy Young, etc.
Cliff Lee could probably have won all of his starts this year sans the one in which he gave up 8 runs and got a W. Doug Fister is 3-3 but the bullpen blew at least 2 games which looked like sure wins. And so on.
If Felix gives up 5 runs I want the team to score 7. I don’t like to see Felix endure watching 2 guys on no outs and then some insane inning-killing attempted double-steal when the opposing pitcher was in the process of walking the world.
Very bad for a pitcher’s morale.
ignacio - June 8, 2010
My frustration has nothing to do with W-L and all to do with him not being fun to watch pitch so often this year.
SethGrandpa - June 9, 2010
Johnson, you're cut.
Tui, you’re cut.
Alfonzo, you’re amusing.
Carp…what the hell are you doing here? I thought you were cut.
Figgins…you ought to be be cut.
Milton, you are lovely but are crazy and suck and may well be cut.
Loafie, you’re infuriating and cut.
Aardsma, you’re cut.
Cordero, you’re inspiring and heartwarming and so, so cut.
Luke French, you’re Luke French.
Felix, you ought to be ashamed >:(
Shawn Kelley, I love you, but you’re cut.
Fister, you should suck but somehow don’t. Yet you are hurt >:(
Garrett Olsen…hmmm…Garrett Olsen…..
Hyphen, you are awesome but are also the worst pitcher in baseball.
Ian Snell, we really had something going, but you turned out to be crazy and super-high maintenance. It’s not working.
Sean White, you may die.
Jack Wilson, you may retire.
Brandon League, you may remember that you had the best pitch in baseball last year.
Ichiro, you may stay.
Saunders, you may stay.
Langersex, you may stay.
Ichiro, you may stay.
Josh Wilson – what the hell, you can stay.
Vargas, you may stay.
Erik Bedard, you will be RC’s loveslave until you are healed, so you may stay.
Cliff Lee, I will pleasure you every day (and skype-sex you when I am overseas) if that is what it takes to get you to stay.
Decatur - June 9, 2010
*one Ichiro should be Frabklin.
Decatur - June 9, 2010
Are you in the Military?
Mariner Melee - June 9, 2010
No. I was studying abroad.
Email me if you want to know more.
Decatur - June 9, 2010
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