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23-36, Game Thought

That should do it.

We still have that same issue where one game is just one game, but between this pushing the M's a season-high nine back and the emphatic nature of the loss, this felt like an appropriate death knell. Watching along, I had no response. There were no feelings. I didn't care. I didn't care, because my heart finally figured out what my brain has long suspected - the 2010 Seattle Mariners are almost certainly toast.

You eternal optimists can go on praying for better days ahead. That's fine. I mean, if you're going to follow along, you might as well hope, since hope comes free. I'll be hoping, too. But let's face it: this team isn't good enough, and moves that could make it good enough are no longer sensible. The moves that start to make sense now are moves that even make this team worse. This front office won't be placing calls about Adrian Gonzalez. It'll be taking calls about Cliff Lee.

The M's are done. Realistically, they're done. It sucks, but then, it's freeing in a lot of ways. And one of the ways that it's freeing is that we can finally knock it off with this whole nightmarish Ian Snell experiment. It was an understandable gamble at the time. I think most of us were supportive, if not falling all over ourselves with enthusiasm. Snell had some decent stuff, and a track record, and a shot at taking to a change of scenery. A year ago, he emerged as one of the premier buy-low candidates in the game.

But sometimes a player that's low will stay low, and for all the talk about how Ian Snell is in a better place, and how the M's have worked with him on a few things, and how we've seen some flashes, at the end of the day, he hasn't made any progress. Here's Snell as a starter.

Year Team Strike% SwS% BB% K% FIP
2008 PIT 62.6% 9.6% 11.6% 17.6% 4.57
2009 PIT 59.2% 8.3% 11.5% 14.6% 4.61
2009 SEA 58.7% 6.7% 13.5% 12.8% 5.23
2010 SEA 61.1% 7.2% 12.1% 9.8% 6.96

Do you see the improvement? Because I sure as hell don't. He can't throw strikes, he can't miss bats, and for as bad as he is against righties, he's even worse against lefties, because he doesn't have a changeup. There's nothing to be positive about with Ian Snell. Nothing at all. He's just a righty with a fastball in the low-90s and an inconsistent breaking ball, like so many hundreds of high school and college arms picked in the draft over the last few days. I honestly wonder - I honestly wonder - if Taijuan Walker couldn't approximate Snell's performance right now.

If the M's were still in the hunt, then, okay, maybe it would make some sense to at least stick Snell back in the bullpen and try to see if he can help. He does very occasionally flash a power arm, and he was better during his brief stint in relief. But now? What's the point? Ian Snell has a $6.75m club option for 2011. Which means he's going to be a free agent. Which means that he's a miserable part of this team's present, and not at all a part of its future.

Which means it's time for him to go. There's no reason to trot him out there any more. Better to give those innings to a Luke French, or someone who might someday help the organization down the road. It's not even like cutting Snell would hurt them in the short-term. Cutting Snell would make the team better. It would make them better, and give them a glimpse of someone else.

Snell is bad now, he doesn't have any shred of trade value, and he's set to test the market in November. What would be the purpose of trying to get him straightened out? Nevermind that everything the team has done with him so far has clearly been a failure. Even if they still thought they could get him to improve, so what? What would be the payoff? A version of Ian Snell that pitches at a level somewhat better than pathetic for one or two months?

Forget it. Snell made some flippant remarks after getting yanked last Friday. He generated one strikeout and eight walks over his previous two starts, and today he gave up eight runs in 1.2 innings. He's getting frustrated, and he's getting worse. Let him go. Make him go. You don't even have to stick him in Tacoma. Let him walk free. He seems to be a big fan of walking.

Ian Snell is both bad and pointless, and the Rainiers could get a replacement to Texas in plenty of time for tomorrow. If he doesn't get cut, I won't be shocked, but I will be disappointed. Keeping him around after today - after everything - would be an insult to his teammates, to the coaches, to the prospects, and to the fans.

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I really, really wanted the Snell experiment to work.

Both for baseball value, and because it’d be a nice story if he could’ve gotten some support from the organization, gotten past his personal demons, and turned things around.

(nobody notice this deviation from my usual persona of being an emotionless robot)

But I agree, there’s nothing to be gained from continuing to try to make things work.

Especially if Snell is going to be defensive and pissy about the fact that he's been wretched.

It gives even less confidence that he’s willing to work on stuff.

Well, I'm personally not willing to judge him too harshly for that.

He’s surely frustrated too, after all. And we already know his coping skills aren’t the greatest.

I would, however, like to see a move happen before we too many more displays like that.

Oh I don't care one way or the other what kind of garbage spills from his mouth,

other than the notion that his lack of willingness to acknowledge a problem would make it difficult to work on that problem.

Everything about Snell is a problem

There are too many problems to acknowledge.

Easy solution though.
Easy, final solution
Okay, that made me cringe.
Of all the comments?
Never know what will do it!
That's one way to send your starting pitcher to the showers...
Sounding the Death Snell?
This game:

Krystsnellnacht?

This really doesn't work as well as I thought it did.
Krysnellnacht would work a bit better
Points for cleverness though
I think this is finally the game that has pushed many of us over the edge.

It really is time to start looking at next year. Hope no longer exists for this year.

Your 2010 Mariners!

Where hope no longer exists

There's just this habit I have of watching the games.
You can still enjoy good games and wins.

Just not in the context of a playoff hunt.

I picked the worst game to attend

Snell is absolutely terrible. Judging from
Wak’s postgame comments about whether he’ll stay in the rotation I’m assuming the answer is no, but hopefully he’ll be off this team all together within the next day. Tonight was painful.

Worst part though was when I looked in the dugout and saw Cliff Lee hanging over the railing smiling and laughing with one of the guys and knowing within two months he won’t be here. Oh Cliff :’(

Ouch. Aren't you going tomorrow as well?

At least it can’t be worse than today… uh… hopefully.

Yep, I'll be there tomorrow

RRS can’t do that bad… Right? I have absolutely no expectations for tomorrow. :(

RRS is throwing a perfect game tomorrow.
God I am so sick of perfect games
That sounds funny.
Given his history, hopefully he doesn't read this.
There aren't any perfect games in our future unless Fister recovers and throws one.

Snell is gone after tonight. Good baseball in Seattle is gone. We will get to watch Tui and Carp at 1B because no one wants to see good defense at 1B. They want to see a guy who can get HRs occasionally. We will get to see Roborob at catcher, even though he can’t catch, because Felix wants Rob to catch him. Thankfully Jr and Sweeney are gone and no one is demanding to see them. Maybe Saunders will get the chance to prove himself in LF. It’s over, let’s see what we’ve got for 2011.

I hope he does because fuck him.

If he didn’t want to suck he should stop blaming everyone else for his problems and actually work on them. Maybe the reason he’s been so shitty is because he sucks. Whatever he had in 2007 is gone and unless he magically finds it/works to get back whatever it is, his career is over.

Why did I hold on to this feeling that Snell would be good for so long?

I was excited when we got him, I was exctied warching him pitch, I was excited for what I thought could have been. Even tonight I thoght this could be the start where he turns it around.

Now I have to face facts. Snell is bad. He won’t ever help this team. He won’t be on this team for long. Still, it pisses me off and makes
me sad to see it end this way.

I suppose it’s telling that this touches me in a way the Griffey saga couldn’t. Even though I grew up on Griffey, watched that first HR in person, his departure meant nothing to me. He’d already been great and it was time to go.

Snell is just another nobody. A footnote to a miserable season who will drift of to obscurity, and that’s more egaging to me than the drawn out end of a superstar carreer.

Warching?

If you’re from Washington, that’s too perfect.

It's hard to believe that his longest start as a Mariner has been 6.2 innings.
Is it?
To me it is.

Even Carlos Silva went 7 innings once last year in six starts.

Looking at his game logs he did it as recently as last year with the pirates.
Snell started 20 games for the Mariners without going 7 innings.
In 2009 he started 15 games for the Pirates and went 7 innings once.
In 2008 he started 31 games and went at least 7 innings 3 times.
In 2007 he started 32 games and went at least 7 innings 18 times.
In 2006 he started 32 games and went at least 7 innings 9 times.
In 2005 he started 5 games and went at least 7 once.
In 2004 he started one game and went 5 innings.

He had the ability to do it at least once.
But I guess my main point of why it’s hard to believe is that it isn’t something that is that spectacular or uncommon.
I just think it’s weird that he went 20 starts with the Mariners without going at least 7 innings.

I'm not sure why that is hard to believe.
Nope, not really.
If you asked me prior to revealing that number, I'd have guessed 5.
I really wish you guys were shitty unentertaining writers.

Then I could just tune out the Mariners completely for the rest of the year. It’d save me oodles of time.

Goddamn quality writing.

I want a fucking refund.

Paypal Jeff $20 and I guarantee he will send it back to you.
This sounds legit.
At least we don't have a compelling zoo of a .gif machine in left field
Darn it
We have Magicarp, though.

Feeble second, but it will have to do.

My biggest fear is that they'll drop Doug Fister by mistake.
I thought Luke French looked in better physical shape than last year,

when he looked soft. He didn’t pitch that badly. There may be hope for him as a Jarrod Washburn type who’ll do well in Safeco.

He had an ~average tRA in AAA with a below average swinging strike rate so don't get your hopes too high.
It's the 2010 Mariners; we're allowed to have hope?
false hope is still hope
Right. No one said he was a Tanner Scheppers clone down there.

I’ll take ~average to ~below average. I don’t need every new pitcher to be good, I’m just done with the ‘this game is over before the end of the 2nd’ starts.

Nevermind. Believe big.
Plant foot is still pointing towards visitor's dugout...

He has not even tried. Get the fuck out, Snell.

There's still zero evidence that the plant foot means anything to his command or effectiveness.

It was an interesting theory when we thought he had talent and might be salvageable. Now, I don’t care where he points his plant foot as long as it’s away from Seattle.

Does it matter?

The report was the Mariners were trying to get him to fix that “problem”, even if it wasn’t one. The fact that he hasn’t even tried means he has no desire whatsoever to listen to them. Which is just another reason to get rid of him.

Maybe he has tried

Correcting mechanics is hard.

Maybe the Mariners stopped trying to work on it.

"Plant Foot" : coming to a theater near you

It’s the root of all evil

Good band name...
The day Snell gets cut Brandon League is going to show him the way he used to throw

his splitter before Adair went and fucked it up. Then Snell will get picked up by the Nationals and win 20 games next year.

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