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Ryan Rowland-Smith And The Constant Struggle

You should know ahead of time that I'm on three hours' sleep and have no idea where this is going. This is just me proving to myself once more that I'm capable of making a post out of a single thought that I find to be moderately interesting.

At one of them USSM Q&A's with the front office a year or two ago, the speakers took a break from playing themselves up as complete and total statheads to field an interesting question from the audience, or Dave, or somebody. The question was - paraphrased - "What is one thing you wish those of us on the outside would understand?" I'm pretty sure it was Tony Blengino whose response was, "that these players are people. Real-life people." Or maybe it was Tom McNamara. My brain has lost more marbles than Lance Armstrong.

It's a simple point, but an important one of which we as fans can lose sight entirely too often. All of these players are people with feelings and families and complicated lives both on and off the baseball field, and it shouldn't take something like Nick Adenhart's death to remind us. We should never have to be reminded. With players, as with other people in general, we should always be aware and considerate.

In theory. Of course, it doesn't work like that. We all get frustrated. When we get frustrated, we get short-tempered, and we're prone to lashing out. Alternatively, we might just casually talk about other peoples' lives like they're no big deal. Dump this guy. Trade that guy. This one isn't performing, or that one could help us land a better player. That sort of thing.

So I would say the average fan - myself included - is not always cognizant of the fact that this sport we watch is built around a bunch of real people with a bunch of real lives. We're generally inclined to treat it as a game, while the people involved are inclined to treat it as serious business. Which makes sense. For us, it is a game. For them, it's a career. It's a living. More hangs in the balance.

But then you get a guy like Ryan Rowland-Smith. As trite as it sounds, RRS always helps us keep things in perspective. Because of his friendliness and ready accessibility, he's like a constant reminder that these are normal people trying to do a job. And it changes the way people talk about him. By the numbers, RRS has been arguably the worst starting pitcher in baseball this year. Too many walks, too many homers, not enough strikeouts. He's been miserable, and when Ian Snell was doing the same thing, nary a moment went by that someone didn't call for him to go away and never come back. With RRS, though, even now, most every comment begins with "well I really like him-". People exercise more understanding. People exercise more patience. People wants so badly for him to succeed - not just because he's a Mariner, and we like the Mariners, but because he's put himself out there and interacted with the fans, and many of us have used that as a reason to be more forgiving. He is, as so many have said, a remarkably easy player to root for.

There was an interesting comparison back in April. At the end of the month, RRS had a 5.28 ERA and a K/BB of 0.7. Ian Snell had a 4.66 ERA and a 1.1 K/BB. The fans were willing to be a lot more lenient with the former than the latter. Granted, the former has had more recent success, but the latter has better stuff, and the difference in response was far greater than simple performance would explain on its own.

With RRS, many of us continue to be critical but fair. Well, we wish he would do this. We wish that would change. With Snell, and with nearly every other player, the leash isn't as long, and the words aren't as measured. We're more willing to be negative. Overly negative. We're more willing to be mean. We're more willing to wish releases or worse upon them after any bad play. In other words, while most players get the standard fan treatment, RRS is treated by many of us as something a little more significant. Not as a buddy or anything, but at least as a person whose feelings we don't like to see hurt.

By and large, it's pretty easy to maintain this distinction. RRS is active on Twitter, and he's always so positive, so we like him. The other players aren't, so they don't get the same treatment. Okay. But then, when you think about it, that isn't really fair. We aren't more forgiving with RRS because he's on Twitter. We're more forgiving with him because we understand that he has a lot of shit going on, and this is his life. We don't want to see his life go down the tubes at 27. He seems nice. None of us wants to see bad things happen to nice people.

And when I think about that, my brain twists itself. I've been more forgiving with RRS for reasons that apply to everyone on the team. Or at least, almost everyone. I'm sure there are a few bad apples. And it makes me think back to the answer at the USSM event. All of these players are people. But what is my place, here?

Blogging, and just being around baseball boards on the internet for a decade, has certainly conditioned me to believe that snark and insensitivity are never inappropriate. Nearly everyone involved in the discussion online comes from the standpoint of being a fan who just wants to see his team win with whichever players are necessary to make the team win. But what about the players themselves? Don't they deserve to be treated more like people and less like faceless commodities? Isn't this why so many of us find Shannon Drayer's blog to be so compelling? If we're inclined to be more understanding with RRS, shouldn't we grant the same courtesy to the rest of the players, provided they haven't proven themselves to be complete and utter dicks? I honestly have no idea. What's the proper approach? Is there a proper approach? Does it even really matter what we do in the first place?

I don't have the answer, and I don't know that I'll ever find it. I'm always going back and forth, and the way I feel today may not be the way I feel tomorrow. Ultimately, it may not make any kind of difference. I just wish someone would clue me in, because right now I'm stuck in the in-between. Fandom is complicated, when you think about it.

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There's undoubtedly a correlation

between the way we feel about athletes and the money they make. I was a little kid in the 70’s and early 80’s, so I mostly missed the era when guys worked in the off-season because you couldn’t support a family on a baseball salary, but it seems that the bajillions of dollars that top athletes get, and the four-or-five-times-most-people’s-annual-wage that even journeymen get, has served to distance the fan from the athlete as a person.

When someone’s making $shitloads, it’s easy to say THAT GUY SUCKS I CAN’T BELIEVE WE’RE PAYING HIM THAT MUCH MONEY TO SUCK THIS BAD, and once that line of thinking starts, it cascades down to even the guys making the league minimum. Who are generally not the head-up-ass, ridiculously narcissistic people that top-tier athletes almost have to be.

What’s my point? What’s the answer? Like you, I’m not sure I have one here. But it seems that money is a contributing factor in why we treat athletes the way we do, at least I think so.

I think this is part of the ultimate answer, which is that fans tend to give more rope to the players they can identify with.

Fans tend to give more rope to the players they can identify with. Personality is part of that. A compelling story of overcoming adveristy is part of that. Pay is part of that. And factors better not delved into here, such as race and socioeconomic background, play into that as well.

Speaking only for myself, I want RRS to succeed not only because he’s a Mariner and it’s in the team’s best interest, but because he’s a really likable person and I can imagine knowing and liking him personally. If I was a major league ballplayer, I would hope that I would handle myself like him. For me, these things are much more true of Rowland-Smith than of Snell.

For what it's worth, I think Snell seems like a great guy too. He's handled himself incredibly well in Tacoma

just like he did by all accounts in Indianapolis in 2009.
He’s not comfortable in MLB, and while that makes him a bad guy to have in your rotation, it doesn’t make him a bad guy. Fascinating, flawed, and in the end, sort of endearing. But jebus, no more starts for Seattle, please.

Oh, absolutely. I don't mean to impugn Ian Snell in any way.

I think he’s a fascinating guy and probably quite a nice guy. I just don’t identify with him in the same way I do Rowland-Smith.

Good post

I wouldn’t want you to give up your snarky style, but this is a good point to mention and keep in mind. I don’t know about anybody else, but I’ve felt bad for many of the players this year and how badly things have gone. I felt bad for Snell being released/demoted, especially since it was so close to the SI article about sports and depression where his human side was revealed. That more than anything has made the season hard to watch for me.

"My brain has lost more marbles than Lance Armstrong."

So, more than one?

It's still a good joke.
Who knows how many marbles we have in our brains?
Based on the plural, at least 2.
Yeah, that was Blengino at the USSM event in Seattle...

I’ve been thinking about this a bit and will probably post on this soon too.
There are a number of reasons why we’re easier on RRS than, say, Silva – pdb lists them. But like you, I’m still tossing this around. We like RRS because he IS so accessible and open about his struggles. So would we automatically like Rob Johnson if he had a blog where he poured out how frustrated he was about his injuries, his inability to catch or hit, etc.? Do you really NEED an accent to be confessional and yet not whiny?

I keep asking myself: did you project RRS higher than you should because you like him? And I simply have to answer that question with a yes. It’s not what I set out to do, it’s nothing I was conscious of, but there it is.

I wonder if a contributing factor isn't the novelty of it all

RRS is the most accessible Mariner the team has had in, what, ever? The more he struggles, the more likely he is to go away, and if he goes away, we won’t have any similar player to replace him. So we’re inclined to want him to succeed more than most, because on some level we like feeling connected.

The fact he was pretty good/decent the few years before helps.

We get a likable and good pitcher!

We like players with interesting back-stories and we like feeling connected.

I think I’m worried that the team may ask players NOT to put themselves out there as much as he has (tweeting where he’s going after games, etc.), or that players won’t even if they’re not told to lay off. He was a pilot project, and it’s not working. Of course correlation isn’t causation, but still…

I remember this feeling last year, but I keep hoping he’s really, actually injured. It’s a very odd thing to wish on a player you like, but the alternative is worse. With every struggling player, we look for why the results aren’t indicative of true talent. We’re pretty much out of options here, and I’m hoping a doctor can just go in and remove a suck-tumor and that he’ll be back to useful pretty soon.

I see from Divish's story that he got a call from Rich Dorman last night.

This is the other side of the ‘players are real people, not just robots’ comment. I’m sure no one likes to read weird, personal insults directed at them from bloggers or internet people. But it’s got to be easy to tune that stuff out, just as you do when you’re playing on the road and hecklers start hurling some invective at you.
I just think he needed to hear from someone he knew that he could still pitch. That may mean as much as whatever Rick Adair’s doing with his plant foot.

Also, I heart Rich Dorman. I’m still really annoyed he never got a cup of coffee with the M’s, but I’m glad he’s still in the org, trying to keep RRS’ head straight.

This is why sports is so awesome.

As fans, we want our team to win, and we want them to do whatever it takes to wins. At the same time, we also have favorite players who we want to see succeed.

Who’s the better fan?
The guy that makes fun of Ryan Rowland-Smith and says that he sucks and should never pitch again, or the guy that blindly and optimistically cheers Ryan Rowland-Smith saying that he’s destined for a comeback.

There is no such thing as an ideal fan, we’re not supposed to know the right way to “feel about things.” The unpredictability of this sport, the personalities of the players, the performance of the players all make this so awesome.

There is no proper approach. Sometimes we react smart, which is the usual case on Lookout Landing. Sometimes we react stupidly (see: people who want to trade Ichiro). But because there are so many opinions around, as fans we have the ability to come up with our own viewpoints.

Sometimes we over-analyze stuff to much. Simple reaction? Ryan Rowland-Smith stinks at pitching, but we love him because he’s Hypen.

I get the feeling that if RRS never saw the majors again, his life would not go "down the tubes".

For one, he’s made a decent amount of money as a big leaguer. Nothing huge mind you, but probably enough to buy a decent place back home, or wherever he wants to live.

For two, he just doesn’t strike me as a guy who would let it ruin him. Sure he’d be upset that he didn’t succeed, but I’m sure he’d move on and go hunting, race cars, bungee jump play independent ball or whatever it is he wanted to do, and he would be just fine.

Wonder what Snelling is up to these days?

Wasn't Snelling a budding wine-maker down in Arizona?
I for one hope that both RRS and Snell become good again and have successful careers.

I hope Silva gets hurt and never pitches again because he is a fat douche.

But even that's not necessarily true

You think Silva is a douche because he was bad for us and called out Ichiro. But I know a girl who has known Silva since he pitched for the Phillies who says he’s a great guy that was torn up about not being able to pitch well for us the last couple years.

The fact is we know very little about these guys’ personal lives and unless there are absolute signs (see: Myers, Brett), we should avoid making judgments.

Except about them as players.

Being sad that you aren't performing isn't really character evidence

it’s just evidence that you recognize when you’re not doing well. Most people feel bad when they under-perform. Calling out Ichiro was a dick move. Is it possible he is still a nice guy, but when a nice guy pulls a dick move, well, you only have so much to go on.

On the other hand, there’s Jay Smooth’s Principle of Internet Racism, which is nominally applied to the very incendiary topic of racism, but has much farther-reaching sociological and philosophical implications.

The gist, independent of racism, is: If you steal my wallet, the problem isn’t with whether or not you subsequently self-identify as a thief. The problem is that you stole something from me. Whether or not Carlos Silva is or isn’t essentially a jerk isn’t the problem, it’s that he did something very jerk-like and very visible to a person a lot of fans really like, while failing to perform and raking in fat sacks of cash money that he clearly wasn’t earning.

link to the video i'm referring to

Worth a look, because it’s something more or less 99% of people can understand and identify with, plus Jay Smooth is a cool dude:

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html

WHY YOU GOTTA HURT ME SO BAD, RYAN?
This is something that's been in the back of my mind for a while, and the front of it more recently.

And it doesn’t just go for baseball players. I just finished reading The Game by Neil Strauss, no doubt some or many of you are familiar with it. It’s a weird sort of auto-biography detailing Strauss’s 2 year involvement with a sub-culture of sexually frustrated young males who study the psychology of sexual attraction in order to learn how to pick up women with incredible ease. In the book he details experiences with four celebrities of very unique and controversial standing – Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Courtney Love, and Tom Cruise.

While all four are painted in a much more endearing human light than we usually see them, the story of Strauss’s involvement with Courtney Love is the most compelling (even more so because she’s the only one who is genuinely hated by huge pieces of the population). She was in love with her manager (this is after Cobain’s death) who wouldn’t return her phone calls and ignored her, had a heaping pile of debt, and a devastating drug addiction. She moved into Strauss’s house (or rather, mansion that he shared with several other pick-up artists) for a couple months to get away from a constant harassment of creditors and lawyers and because she was too depressed and suicidal to live alone. For the first time in my life I saw Love as someone I could empathize with. As a human being trying to get through a really, really shitty situation.

Wish I had some broader more thought-provoking conclusion to end that with, but I don’t. Just remember that everybody, from the fakest of MTV fakes to the most powerful politicians and world leaders, are all still not much different than the rest of us. Just with less privacy, which is likely even worse than being like the rest of us.

He's Australian, I love all things Australian for some irrational reason.

Therefore, I still love RRS.

Just no more starts for a while, please. Take a breather, you Aussie hunk, you.

Fandom is simple!

You have no control. You’re just a passenger on the roller coaster, and you’re either going to be exhilarated or you’re going to want to vomit. So, do whatever the hell you want to do! Throw the remote! Dance in your underwear! Vote for Tui for the All Star Game! It! Doesn’t! Matter!

Here's the way it breaks down

If you want to objectify players, which is how you have objective discussions about their abilities and contributions, then objectify them.

If you want to be polite while you objectify them, then be polite.

I suspect your unspoken hang-up here isn’t that you don’t know how to do this, it’s that you like being snarky as well, and you can’t reconcile not wanting to feel like you’re being a dick with feeling like you’re being a dick (which is what happens once you consider that these are real people with real lives and families and so on).

The solution is to not be a dick. I don’t think you’re generally very dick-ish, and you can be snarky without being a dick, but you clearly have players you don’t like, and you may want to revisit your opinions about them. When you find yourself ripping on someone repeatedly, I think you have to stop and ask, “What do I really know about this guy? Should I maybe look for some redeeming personality trait to offset my anger?” Then, if you look deeper and find out that he’s also a dickhead (Silva), by all means, go to town (and maybe explain why you feel he’s a dickhead, so we can hate on the asshole, too). If not, well, I think we’re all better served by knowing that Mr Underachiever is at least a good guy who finds homes for stray cats and has adopted 5 children from underprivileged areas and backgrounds. The only people who won’t feel at least somewhat ameliorated by that knowledge are dicks who thrive on feeling angry, which is generally not very compatible with the “Don’t Be a Dick” philosophy of life.

The alternative is to just stop caring so much about the fact that they’re real people. That’s not the approach I’d take, personally, but it’s your blog, and it’s ultimately your call. Just be honorable about it and own up when someone calls you out for dickish behavior.

Again, just to reiterate, I don’t think you’re very dickish, but the fact that you’re looking at yourself in the mirror thinking “How do I balance this?” means that you have legitimate and ultimately profound questions and you have to answer the question on principle. In this case the principle is either “(risk) Be(ing) a Dick” or “Don’t (risk) Be(ing) a Dick”.

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