| MORE WITH MORE | MORE WITH LESS |
| Felix Hernandez | Doug Fister |
| LESS WITH MORE | LESS WITH LESS |
| Brandon League | Casey Kotchman |
| SOMETHING WITH NOTHING | |
| Josh Wilson |
Area 1 makes for our heroes and MVPs. These are the players we celebrate and then soon thereafter begin to underrate and take for granted.
Area 2 includes our heartwarming underdog stories. We never take these players for granted and need regular convincing that their success is for real.
Area 3 includes players who frustrate fans to no end, even if they're helping, because they ought to be contributing more. People's distaste for these players is generally disproportionate to their contribution.
Area 4 includes the very worst players in baseball, but over time, if the struggles are real bad, these players will be somewhat overlooked as people realize it was silly to expect very much from them in the first place.
Area 5 is adorable.
1 recs | 43 comments
You think Casey Kotchman is one of the worst players in baseball?
Dewey N - September 22, 2010
He's not even the worst player on our team!
Dewey N - September 22, 2010
:(
Dewey N - September 22, 2010
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this is just a baseline for what we should expect in each area.
Griffey, possibly Lopez, and E. Alfonso.
I would take that group 1 would include Ichiro, and at one point, Cliff Lee.
beastwarking - September 22, 2010
If this were a Venn diagram, Ichiro would be at the intersection of all five sets.
He is more; he is less. He is everything; he is nothing.
ThomasG - September 22, 2010
No he would not.
Ichiro is more with more. He is nothing ‘less’ at all and you should be flogged for insinuating so.
Matthew - September 22, 2010
I think it was more of an Infinity, Alpha, Omega,
Something, Nothing, Zen type statement.
ambrosia2112 - September 22, 2010
Ichiro is more awesome with less effort.
So, yes he would.
ThomasG - September 22, 2010
Oh.
abender20 - September 22, 2010
No
Matthew - September 22, 2010
Yes
HitKing69 - September 22, 2010
This would be funny if it weren't horribly unfunny
seattlebruin - September 22, 2010
Way to stand up for the little guy.
Bearskin Rugburn - September 22, 2010
Wasn't trying to be funny
Just wanted to share my thoughts.
HitKing69 - September 22, 2010
So you think that Ichiro doesn't try hard and thus hurts the team with his lack of effort
I have a neat place for you to go check out
seattlebruin - September 22, 2010
No, I generally don't believe that
However, I think that there are times when Ichiro can realistically fall into any one of these pretend categories. He is incredibly unique in that he is probably the only person on the team that can. Besides, this ranking system (?) relies on an individual’s perception. In the first case, it was Jeff’s. In this case it’s mine. I think I’m entitled to that.
HitKing69 - September 22, 2010
Too far.
We all know Ichiro does not go 100% all the time. It is no big deal because he is awesome.
Sec 108 - September 23, 2010
I think a case could be made here
I agree
HitKing69 - September 22, 2010
He was a top 5 prospect!
Poochie - September 22, 2010
So is RRS in the Less with More box still
or have we moved him into the Kotchzone?
Eyebrows - September 22, 2010 via mobile
Same question with Lopez.
I’m inclined to say less with more, but screw Jose Lopez.
andrewgolfsalot - September 22, 2010
Lopez is most definitely less with more, although we can now begin to question just how much 'more' he ever had
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2010
In one respect, he has more now than ever.
Oh wait, we’re talking about talent.
yuniform - September 22, 2010
On skill, probably the Kotchbox. On personality, a different kind of 'adorable' box.
marc w - September 22, 2010
My new favorite word is Kotchbox. I'm going to use it in daily speach and see how long it takes people to realize it is not a common slang or a word.
LeftArrow2 - September 22, 2010
That's tough
I’d put him in the Kotchbox, but he’s got more less than Luke French.
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2010
Right.
So we’ll make area six: Something With Nothing With Moxie.
Former mariners John Moses and Pee Wee Briley would fit here as well.
marc w - September 22, 2010
How does French abandoning his slider fit into this? That has to at least earn him some More to do Less with.
abender20 - September 22, 2010
But now that it's abandoned, it is no longer among his More!
Jeff Sullivan - September 22, 2010
I think the argument is that he's doing more with less.
His slider’s no longer on HIS more, but by sort of bouncing along and not being horrific, does that qualify as more?
FIP sucks, but his ERA/tRA are better than last year.
He almost seems like he belongs in Something with Nothing, but he is objectively less adorable than Wilson.
marc w - September 22, 2010
Actively abandoning a tool that is very much available to him means he is less good than he could be.
French not throwing his slider is quite different than French not throwing a 100mph fastball.
abender20 - September 22, 2010
Less with more, intentional area
seattlebruin - September 22, 2010
Hello, Brandon League.
abender20 - September 22, 2010
Great chart. Now add time and Mariner fan cynicism!
Area 1 – only ends in tears. Yes, the journey was fun, but you have to be prepared for the inevitable.
Area 2 – Well that was fun while it lasted. Dave Fleming was once a ray of hope, and now, years later, we can see that that’s sort of hilarious and sad.
Area 3 – GOD DAMN IT.
Area 4 – Told you so.
Area 5 – Still adorable.
marc w - September 22, 2010
NOTHING WITH SOMETHING
Jose Lopez
Area 6 is no longer adorable. Had enough time to make something of himself and blew it. Get out, get out, GET OUT!
ThundaPC - September 22, 2010
I believe this should be called the Yunibox.
the other side - September 22, 2010
Jose Lopez isn't nothing
and what do you mean “no longer”? Area 6 doesn’t exist, you just made it up. It cannot no longer be something when it was never anything in the first place.
Matthew - September 22, 2010
Then I clearly misunderstood the exercise.
As I was implying that Jose Lopez is something while doing nothing with it.
ThundaPC - September 22, 2010
It was less an "exercise" than a "bit of fun"
pdb - September 22, 2010
He does something.
2010 Jose Lopez isn’t, but he’s been an average MLB player more often than not and as recently as 2008-9.
Matthew - September 22, 2010
I like the term "Kotchbox"
appleshampoo - September 22, 2010
Me too.
Eyeball Kid - September 22, 2010
Extrapolating this chart out to all-time Mariners, you'd get
1. Griffey (except the last two years)
2. Moyer
3. Yuni, Rey Quinones, or some other failed hyped prospect
4. Dave Valle or Willie Bloomquist
5. Alex Diaz
yuniform - September 22, 2010
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