Warning: not baseball.

I wasn't intending to write about this. The plan was to just go, and have fun, or not have fun, and leave, and that would be the end of it. It would probably come up later in conversation, as friends would reflect on the time we had, but it wouldn't come up online. Why would it? I cover baseball. I know as much about football these days as I know about walnuts.
But here we are. Turns out I can't help it. Writing is kind of what I do, and there's no mental shutoff valve. There are boring games I can choose not to write about, but when a game's interesting, it's out of my hands. I can't not write. No matter the sport, apparently. It's a compulsion, or an addiction, or something. One way or another, words end up written.
Yesterday afternoon, I went to my first-ever home Seahawks game.
First, some quick background - I used to be a huge Seahawks fan. I used to be a huge football fan, but a fan of the Seahawks in particular. I had my little kid's uniform and helmet from Toys R Us and everything.
When I was younger, I was big into the four major sports. Eventually I gave up on basketball - this was before the Sonics moved, but after the Bulls series - but I still clung to my three. Clung hard. Through high school in San Diego, and into Connecticut, I was all about the Mariners, the Senators, and the Seahawks.
Then the Super Bowl happened and it caused an almost instant re-evaluation. Why do you care? This game is too flawed. You don't even like watching it that much anyway. The pace is too slow. You only have so much time and energy, so why devote so much to a sport you barely like? A sport where your victorious moment was stolen out of your hands in front of everyone, and no one could do a damn thing about it?
I didn't come out of it a conspiracy theorist. I didn't think the refs were bought off. I thought the refs were morons. I came out of it one of those people convinced that the Super Bowl was decided not by the players, but by a few of the people watching them. And that hurt. I'd never had one of my teams in the championship before. To see it taken away so unfairly - it was disillusioning.
I didn't know how to wrap my head around it. And when the next football season began, I asked myself how I could get back into something that had clipped (HA-HA) me so bad for no reason the year before. I didn't have an answer. So I didn't get back into it. I put forth some effort, then less effort, then even less effort then that, to the point at which the Seahawks became a team I liked in a game I didn't.
Fast-forward to last February. For the first time in my life, I was living in the northwest. I was excited for a bunch of reasons, most significantly the fact that the mountains up here can blow up, but I was also looking forward to the sports scene. Not so much in Portland, but in the region in general. Here, there are people who care about the Mariners.
And here, there are people who care about the Seahawks. I didn't think about it much early on, but as the months passed and the Mariners sank, I thought long and hard, and decided I had to give the Seahawks and football another chance. For years, I'd heard people rave about the atmosphere. About the experience. I'd seen the Seahawks in person before, but I'd only once seen them at home, and that was a preseason game. All the other times I'd seen them play the Chargers, and all of those games were on the road. I'd never seen them play a meaningful game in the Kingdome, and I'd never seen them play a meaningful game at Qwest. I decided this summer that, if I was going to go ahead and erase football from my radar, I could only do it after seeing what a home game was like.
As luck would have it, the Seahawks were scheduled to play San Diego. It was the perfect fit - the Seahawks for me, and the Chargers for Ms. Jeff. Tickets were bought. Anticipations were anticipated. This game stood the chance of being either one of the greatest Seahawks experiences of my life, or the last.
Fast-forward to yesterday. Gameday. I'd asked people on Twitter for advice, and to a man their replies all involved drinking. And that was fine. I'm a man who enjoys his drinking. But it didn't occur to me until I set my alarm that, if you're going to start drinking early Sunday morning, you probably shouldn't stay out drinking until three the night before. I'm not a college student anymore. What were once feats of strength have become more like feats of agony. You know you did something wrong when your contacts hurt from the moment you put them in.
But this was a big day. This was a first. So I rolled myself out of bed, threw on my Hasselbeck jersey, put in my fucking contacts, and was greeted by the message that I should hurry up because one of our friends had been waiting downtown since 7:30.
It's amazing the way beer is its own medicine. When you're waking up from a long night of drinking, there are a number of things you don't want to do, but one of them is drink. There are two solutions to this quandary:
1) Don't drink
2) Drink
The first smell is the worst. The first taste is the worst. It gets better after that. It's not like I had a choice. It's not like the others had a choice. You don't get out of bed several hours in advance of a 1:15 kickoff just to sit in a bar and be sober all morning.
So we sat there in Temple and worked our way through pitcher after pitcher of what turned out to be brown liquid energy. What people don't tell you is that, in the morning, beer works a lot like coffee. It just isn't something you want to encourage in the workplace. With every pint, I could feel myself building. I could feel myself approach the appropriate blend of enthusiasm, overconfidence, and stupor for the occasion. I remember fist-pounds, and chest bumps, and coming out of the bathroom to the Seahawks drumline that had invaded the center of the bar, which I thought was just the coolest thing in the world.
That must've been the cue, because soon after the drumline stopped playing, we walked over to Qwest to stand in line to get in. There wasn't any chanting, but there was a definite buzz in the air, and though Ms. Jeff and her Chargers jersey didn't become a target for shit or words or shitty words, there was the right amount of taunting. Enough that we knew where we were without my having to be worried for her safety. We will never go to a game in Oakland.
We made our way to the 300 level and opted for standing room squares instead of the seats we'd been assigned. The way it was explained to me was that Robert liked to have room to run around. I didn't really get it then. I got it soon.
After years of hearing about the Qwest atmosphere, and after years of it being so incredibly loud that opposing players swore sound was piped in, I got my first taste when Nate McMillan raised the 12th man flag. It wasn't the loudest thing I'd ever heard. I've been near airplanes. I've seen Metallica in concert. I've watched the Stanley Cup on TV at home on maximum volume, turned the TV off, and turned it back on again later without remembering I'd forgotten to lower the sound. It wasn't loud enough to hurt.
But then, we were standing in front of a ten-foot concrete wall. All the sound from directly behind us was blocked. And it was still loud enough - sufficiently, sustainably loud - that I think my organs came loose. I'm pretty sure the duration and magnitude of the vibrations caused temporary liver failure.
And it didn't go away. Kickoff. First down. Second down. Third down. Plays themselves were less action, and more opportunities to breathe.
Then the Chargers fumbled.
The crazy thing to remember about a place like Qwest is that, when you hear the roar before a visitor snap, that's just a fraction of the crowd making noise. A significant fraction, but a fraction nonetheless. The roar after a turnover, or a stop, or a score - that's everyone. That's the sound of 70,000 people losing their minds.
It's a powerful, exhilarating sound.
I don't need to sit here and provide a play-by-play recap of yesterday's Seahawks game. I don't remember enough of the details, and you can get everything you need and more over at Field Gulls. Besides, there are only so many ways to express how loud people can be before you start to repeat yourself. What I will say is:
1) Qwest Field is impossibly loud
2) I got to celebrate my first-ever home Seahawks touchdown twice, as Deion Branch lost control of the ball at the goal line on a play that was overturned and ruled a fumble. John Carlson later hauled in an actual touchdown near the end of the half
3) Seattle sports pessimism isn't limited to the Mariners, as I don't think anyone felt all that comfortable, even with the Seahawks up 17. It's a cautious city. Or a realistic one, depending on your perspective
I was happy that the Chargers scored, so that Ms. Jeff wouldn't have to come home having paid to see a shutout. I was not happy that the Chargers tied it up late, as self-interest took over. And Leon Washington's ensuing kick return is a play I remember all of, and none of.
Going into the game, I was talking to Robert about how few Seahawks I actually knew. I don't know if the total was limited to one hand, but it was definitely limited to two.
Leon Washington's on the list now. I don't remember the play for the runback. I remember the play for the running, and screaming, and hitting, and lifting, and being lifted, and hitting some more. My body remembers Leon Washington's second kick return better than my brain does. There's evidence everywhere. I just needed to wake up and look at my left arm to know that I wasn't just dreaming.
The Seahawks, of course, held on. They held on just barely, but perhaps better than holding on with an easy four-and-out is holding on by surrendering every last inch and then snaring an interception. Ease is inversely related to response. The conclusion wasn't easy. The response was insane.
And then we left. One time, a few years ago, I was in San Francisco with a friend, and we'd gone to a Giants/Dodgers game. The Giants won, and as we left the park, a LET'S-GO-GI-ANTS chant built up and sustained for a good three minutes. I'd never seen that before, much less been a part of it. Yesterday, that changed. It was fucking weird to leave a stadium in Seattle and see people with smiles and pride.
An easy angle to take here would be pointing out the difference in atmosphere between Safeco and Qwest. Qwest is regarded by many as one of the loudest venues in the nation. Safeco, on the other hand, is tame, coming to life only when prompted, or when Ichiro steps to the plate. By and large, these are the same people, aren't they? Why can't similar environments exist on either side of the street?
But that's too easy, I think. So easy that it would be incorrect and inappropriate to advance. There are too many differences. Too many differences in the fans and the attitudes, the game, and the scheduling to make one even remotely comparable to the other. Besides, Safeco can erupt. It's just had little reason to lately.
Qwest, though, is something else. There's no denying it. Though the game went well, the game didn't dictate the atmosphere like it might in other places. The atmosphere was almost independent. People were there to be loud and cheer on the Seahawks, and hopefully the Seahawks would win, but even if they didn't, the atmosphere would've been nuts. The Seahawks don't so much play home games as they do participate in 70,000 individual experiences.
I talk to Matthew about the Sounders sometimes. He isn't big into soccer, but he's big into the Sounders, and when I've pressed him on the issue, he's told me it's because of the crowd. Each game is like a two hour, coordinated venting of emotion. A person doesn't get many opportunities to vent. The Sounders provide them.
I understood what he was saying, but I didn't really get it until yesterday. I still don't love football, but a handful of hours was all the convincing I needed that I love the experience. One doesn't have to love everything about a game or a league to stick around as a fan. One can simply love a team because it provides what few things do.
The Seahawks and the NFL, I think, are back on my radar. And for that I have yesterday to thank.
26 recs | 127 comments
I'm glad you decided to write about this.
I was curious how you would feel about Qwest after being subjected to the atmosphere is Safeco this year.
wetzelcoal - September 27, 2010
I had my first Qwest experience last year and was blown away
Fortunately, like yours, mine included a ton of action, it came down to the final seconds, and the Hawks won.
Obviously a lot of the fun has to do with being “among your own.” I don’t enjoy Qualcomm because I’m usually rooting for the visitor. Being surrounded by like-minded fans in your own building is a blast in any sport, but maybe none more so than football (college or pro).
Teej - September 27, 2010
Now I'm afraid to go to another game because it will not possibly be as good!
You ma be in the same boat.
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
My first game was the Thursday Night debacle against the 49ers.
It’s all up from there!
BrianL - September 27, 2010
That was my first game as well.
It did indeed only go up. The Romo fumbled snap is probably my favorite in-stadium sports moment ever. But even though that was so amazing, I find myself having the biggest blast almost every time, even if they’ve yet to top the Romo moment. It’s impossible to go and not have fun
BrettJMiller - September 27, 2010 via mobile
That Romo fumble was my first game at Qwest.
That moment when it happened was just insane and something I’ll never forget.
Hopefulmsfan - September 28, 2010
That is also my all time favorite Qwest moment.
I’m forever searching for something to give me the high that I felt at that moment. Naturally of course.
The Manchild - September 28, 2010
Mine was the Vikings Hasselbeck knee snap 2006 game.
I feared I was a jinx so I’ve stayed away for a while. Maybe I should go back now……..
Scruffy Lefty - September 27, 2010
Over my dead body.
Robert - September 27, 2010
Bring it!
Scruffy Lefty - September 27, 2010
I can't believe we survived the Seneca Wallace '06 Tour.
BrianL - September 27, 2010
My first game was the 1984 Wild Card win over Oakland.
Sec 108 - September 28, 2010
OLLLDDDD
Jeff Sullivan - September 28, 2010
It was awesome too! Dan Doornink ran crazy on those bitches.
Sec 108 - September 28, 2010
I guess in some ways I'm lucky the hawks have lost all 5 games i've been to.
wetzelcoal - September 27, 2010
Don't worry about that.
Yesterday is probably my favorite regular season game that I’ve ever attended but every game provides a different type of excitement. It was probably a lot closer to the regular season mean in terms of atmosphere than you realize but the peak(playoffs!) is still so so so so so much higher.
Robert - September 27, 2010
Inspiring
Welcome back to Seahawks fandom! You’re screwed.
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
In winter!
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
Screwed by a sports team?
This will be a new feeling for Jeff
Matthew - September 27, 2010
Different ball size/shape
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
Really awesome post!
Bravo, sir. Go Hawks!!!
Woodinville_12thMan - September 27, 2010
I remember when the Kingdome had that kind of raucous crowd after a Mariners game.
As for Safeco, I have lived away from the Seattle area for most of its existence. Having only been to a handful of Mariners games at Safeco, there is definitely a more subdued atmosphere as compared to the Kingdome. But then again, the Mariners have been mostly terrible outside of the first few years of Safeco’s history. I imagine those crowds will come back when the team becomes good again, like you mentioned in a recent post.
Welcome back to football!
Wilder. - September 27, 2010
It isn't even just being bad.
I think if you want a really crazy baseball atmosphere you need a baseball team that is good in an easily comprehensible way, by which i mean a team that hits a lot of dingers.
wetzelcoal - September 27, 2010
2000 and 2001 crowds were amazing all year long
Matthew - September 27, 2010
2006 and 2007 J.J. Putz closing games were pretty electrifying, too.
No dingers required.
Wilder. - September 27, 2010
Good point.
I guess what I was trying to get at is that its easier for a crowd to stay involved when there are dramatic emotional shifts in a game, like an interception in football or a home run in baseball. I don’t think most fans in any stadium would be on their feet cheering because a pitcher went 7 solid innings and kept the ball on the ground, even though that performance might have the same impact on win probability as a 3 run dinger.
wetzelcoal - September 27, 2010
Glad you Halas fun. Yesterday was one of the better games in a long time.
I haven’t heard Qwest be as loud as it was in the 4th quarter since probably 2007. It really was classic Qwest yesterday
BrettJMiller - September 27, 2010 via mobile
Halas? God damn you auto correct.
BrettJMiller - September 27, 2010 via mobile
George Halas trophy!
Robert - September 27, 2010
That's the Jeff Sullivan game summary I love so much.
I found your reaction to Super Bowl XL interesting. I understand your perspective, but the game had the opposite effect on me. Watching the team so blatantly get screwed only pulled me in more. As devastated as I felt after the game, knowing that the players could only be feeling worse made me care more about them than I ever did almost any Mariner.
All summer I attend Sounder matches, and I debate with Robert if being surrounded by ECS during exciting victories compares favorably to Seahawk games at Qwest. Maybe in some cases they do, but they’ve never compared to the game yesterday. Few sporting events can. It was everything I love about sports in a nutshell. It made me believe once again, and the level of excitement I felt would make an orgasm feel like a scratch.
katal - September 27, 2010
Seahawks playoffs games>>>>>>Important Sounders games>Good Seahawks games>Sounders Games> Important Mariners games=Seahawks games>>>Good Mariners games>>> Bad Seahawks games >Mariner games
Robert - September 27, 2010
Sonics moving is at the bottom of this continuum
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
Sounders games > Important Mariner games?
katal - September 27, 2010
In my mind I was comparing the Chicago game this August to the game where Edgar hit a Grand Slam against the Yankees back in 2000 and Fredy's goal is a happier memory.
It’s pretty close though but the people that I’m around at Sounders games really gives them an edge.
Robert - September 27, 2010
That was kind of an important Sounders game though
Matthew - September 27, 2010
Few sporting events can because few sporting events offer such direct and personal validation of your investment as a fan.
Baseball has a very small home field advantage and that’s mostly chalked up to familiarity with the park effects and creature comforts for the home team players. There are few instances where the fans have direct impact on the game itself*
*Insert Jeffrey Maier reference here
Even in soccer, with its huge and unquestionable home field advantage, there are questions as to how much of that is attributable to the cheering of the home fans. And even though there is definitely some benefit to the home team there, the feedback isn’t immediate. You don’t get to see a team score a goal and (realistically) say to yourself that you caused it.
Most of sports, and life, is like that. We drift through having little discernible impact on larger events. And that can be cruelly disheartening. Most of us would love for there to be more atmosphere at Safeco, but to the individual fan, what’s the incentive to stand up and cheer when Ichiro comes to the plate? It helps to create a deeper emotional connection to the events because you shift from passive to active actions, but you still aren’t a participant.
I truly feel that NFL games at Qwest are different. It takes it one step further from encouraging action from the fans by way of cheering and provides them with an immediate and tangible payoff in disrupting the other team.
Sports have kind of taken the place of what used to be inter-city warrings, but for the most part the emotional attachment is still the same. Every home game, some foreign team, some foreign city, is attacking not just the Seahawks, but Seattle. My city. And at Qwest I am not forced to just sit there and hope for the best. I am not forced to futilely try to rally support. At Qwest I get to stand and scream and yell and distract. And every single time that invading opponent commits a false start or suffers a delay of game, I get to bask in the knowledge that I
-as a crowd embodied- played a significant part in that.That I, that we, truly are a 12th man on the field.
Matthew - September 27, 2010
Editing note: read the strike through as an em dash.
Matthew - September 27, 2010
Well said.
katal - September 27, 2010
This combined with Jeff's assessment above perfectly sum up how I feel about games at Qwest.
I never thought that somebody could put it into words. Well done both of you.
Robert - September 27, 2010
This is why you'll never be modded
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
I thought it was because I am a loose cannon that can't be trusted.
Robert - September 27, 2010
Turns out no
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
I feel so domesticated.
Robert - September 27, 2010
Go make me a sandwich.
Decatur - September 28, 2010
Great stuff, Jeff.
I haven’t been to Qwest yet, but Husky stadium in the first quarter was pretty intense last week. Not so much in the second half, but whatever.
the other side - September 27, 2010
You should make the trip some day, it's well worth it.
And Husky Stadium during the Apple Cup last year was insane the whole time, I mean just shaking.
Hopefulmsfan - September 28, 2010
Yeah I screamed my brains out for that game.
It was crazy, even with 10,000+ Nebraska fans trying to be quiet.
Cheddar28 - September 28, 2010
Autzen rattles fillings loose. I miss that place so bad.
kentroyals5 - September 28, 2010
Only place I've ever been to that's as intimidating as Qwest
I’ve been in Husky Stadium at its loudest, as well as ASU when the Cougs were there as a top 10 team in 1997 and the place was a sell out. Nothing really compares to Autzen (in the Pac-10, at least).
Husky Stadium is vastly overrated in my book. It’s loud, but with the track separating the crowd from the field … it’s just not the same as some other places. (And no, it’s not just because I’m a Coug. I grew up a Husky fan.)
Jeff Nusser - September 28, 2010
I swear I personally have caused multiple false starts for teams visiting Autzen.
Good memories.
RunningFool - September 28, 2010
I'm sure Matthew and Robert have encouraged you to do so
but it’s worth seeing at least one regular season Sounders match at Qwest as well.
BrianL - September 27, 2010
Except I live in Portland and have no prior ties to Seattle soccer
Uh oh!
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
Oh crap Timbers.
BrianL - September 27, 2010
Yay Timbers!
joof - September 27, 2010
Robert is going to light your car on fire.
JAH - September 27, 2010
Timbers games next year will have a great atmosphere also.
Sec 108 - September 28, 2010
Be sure to see the Sounders
It won’t top the Seahawks, but what they’ve found with the Sounders really is something special. Everyone stands the whole game, and the eruption before and after goals is unique to Seattle in North America. And the Sounders/Timbers rivalry is also something that can’t be found in the United States.
Baseball was my first love, but the Hawks and Sounders have made life bearable since the Ms stopped being relevant in 2004.
Agent_J - September 27, 2010
You saw Metallica in concert?
In what century?
But for reals, great post. As a fledgling football fan myself, I’m left pondering the more profound effects of how much I enjoyed yesterday’s Seahawks game (and I listened on the radio!) as compared to how I feel about say, a random Mariners/White Sox outing.
It was way hardcore yesterday. It was awful satisfying. I wish it meant as much to me as a big time Mariners win would though.
MarinerHousewife - September 27, 2010
Guess I won't talk about seeing Nirvana
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
I never saw Nirvana in a big enough place to generate a wall of sound like Jeff described
pdb - September 27, 2010
I hate you
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
I'm old and I spent the 1990's in Seattle
it’s what we did.
pdb - September 27, 2010
Missing so many club shows in the 90's is my one sort-of regret about moving to SoCal after high school
I still saw lots of shows here and in Seattle, but not like if I was living there during the Summer of Grunge Love.
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
And in turn I will fail to bring up the Mr. Mister show I saw.
It was at Mile High Stadium. But for what it’s worth, it was after a “Colorado Bears” baseball game I think (that is worth zero.)
MarinerHousewife - September 27, 2010
Take these broken wings
pdb - September 27, 2010
I saw a Beach Boys concert after an M's game at the Kingdome
So it may be a push.
lemonverbena - September 27, 2010
A single Mariners win will likely not give you the same high as a Seahawks win though
With just 16 games in an NFL season, every game really, really means something. Even though yesterday was just the 3rd game of the season, there was a great deal of importance to it. A single baseball game would almost never have that much importance attached to it, save for a playoff-deciding game (either a win-and-in playoff or a game 5/7).
That said, I also wish that the M’s put themselves in a position to be in those exciting games
tootthekazoo - September 27, 2010
3rd seed in the NFC West!
Robert - September 27, 2010
3rd seed in the NFC!
Robert - September 27, 2010
That's a big part of it
You can bundle all your sports-emotion into a once-a-week intense experience, and when it works out, it is AWESOME. It’s probably because I’m a Mariners fan, but I don’t have big expectations for the Seahawks. That means, when they win, it’s exhilarating in a very unique way. And if they lose, hey, I’ve already watched the M’s lose a HUNDRED TIMES in one season, so I’m pretty much numbed to losing.
MarinerHousewife - September 27, 2010
I saw Bob Dylan in concert at the WaMu Theater last year.
The crowd was louder there than at any Mariners games in a long, long time.
Coach Owens - September 27, 2010
I saw a Taylor Swift concert in a arena in Pullman once and it was just as loud as the Hawks game the day before but that might have been because it was a small ass areana and the crowd was mostly high pitched girls
Robert - September 27, 2010
Speaking of high-pitched, I sat in front of some Chargers fan at the game yesterday.
Every time something good happened for the Chargers she would scream “Gooooo Chargers” or “Yeeeeeeah!” or something. I think she broke my eardrum.
Coach Owens - September 27, 2010
Raible is pretty cool to listen to.
I get spoiled by Niehaus but I prefer Raible to most other radio commentators I’ve heard. I keep thinking I’ll sync an internet feed with my TV so I can listen to Raible while seeing what he’s talking about. The dude absolutely exploded at the end of the game though (I did hear that sound-byte).
Cheddar28 - September 28, 2010
Glad you had fun Jeff.
Now we just need to get the NBA back to Seattle.
bigtrain21 - September 27, 2010
If the NBA comes back to Seattle, Sam Presti and Kevin Durant better be part of the package.
Wilder. - September 27, 2010
I feel the same way
I probably won’t support the NBA if it comes back unless we get our original team back and let’s face it, that isn’t going to happen. Anyway, I mainly wanted an excuse to post that gif of Kemp dunking that I made last night. I didn’t mean to hijack the thread or anything.
bigtrain21 - September 27, 2010
Dead to me
I’ll watch an NBA game just as soon as David Stern is cold in his grave. If there’s a game that day. If not I’ll wait until the next season begins, and watch then…maybe.
short - September 27, 2010
Right after we get an NHL team.
Mind of no mind - September 27, 2010
I have no interest in football whatsoever but now I feel like I should watch a game at Qwest just for the atmosphere
pdb - September 27, 2010
I'm not familair with your previous football viewing experiences but FWIW I know that Katal and myself had the same feeling towards the Sounders and now look at where we are.
Robert - September 27, 2010
I really have no previous football viewing experiences as I have never really liked football in the slightest
I went to a game in the Kingdome about 15 years ago and I went to a few Husky games in about 1987 but other than that I have never really given football a second thought.
pdb - September 27, 2010
I didn't really care much about watching football for a long time.
Then I watched the 2005 SB season and was hooked. I hadn’t realized how awesome football could be. And going to a game at Qwest would make the exeperience that much more amazing.
Hopefulmsfan - September 28, 2010
Recommended!
Jeff Sullivan - September 27, 2010
Just don't sit/stand on the west side of the Stadium!
Robert - September 27, 2010
what? why?
SgtSasquatch - September 28, 2010
In my experiences the Seahawks always play terrible and we get hassled by ushers for using unoccupied Standing Room Only Seats on that side of the stadium.
Meanwhile the ushers on the east side are almost all awesome and accommodating.
Robert - September 28, 2010
2005 NFC Championship was Loud as Hell
I was a season ticket holder for a couple years, so I’m familiar with how amazingly loud Qwest is on a game day. But for the NFC Championship the fans took it up still another notch and simply did NOT shut up the entire game. And still had a little bit of room for when something good actually happened.
The only blessing was that by the time the clock ran out and it was clear the ‘Hawks were going to the mother fucking SUPERBOWL!! there just wasn’t anywhere to go volume wise…otherwise I think the stadium would have collapsed, seriously harshing everyone’s buzz.
The only comparison was the Kingdome during the M’s ’95 playoff run. I have no idea how you make on open air stadium as loud as the Dome…but we did it.
short - September 27, 2010
Love it
I was there for the NFC Championship game, and the ‘95 game against the Yankees…aka Here Comes Junior. Those two games were two of the three loudest games I’ve ever heard, along with a Seattle Sounders v New York Cosmos NASL game the year we went to Soccer Bowl. I was really young then, and I distinctly remember being really scared that the place was going to collapse it was so loud.
For as shitty a venue as the Kingdome was, it deserves credit for enabling the fans to have an impact on the game. While the building is gone the attitude lives on.
surfmonkey89 - September 27, 2010
I still say the Kingdome games mid-80's were louder than Qwest, but that was due to the dome more than the crowd.
That being said the 2005 Championship was the first time I felt the stadium swaying under me. It was incredibly intense.
Sec 108 - September 28, 2010
For the last few months I've been mentioning to friends that I've found that the perfect comparison to explain the differences between Qwest and Safeco is the walking into the stadium.
At Safeco you enter the stadium to a prerecorded message on a loop for 2 hours telling you everything that you aren’t allowed to do. When you enter Qwest you either have 67,000 fans screaming SEA! HAWKS! or you have a viciously drunk supporters group yelling out as many vulgar chants as they can think of.
Baseball might be more interesting than football (not to me though) but when the people at Qwest are treated like an actual member of the team, while the Mariners do their best to make Safeco feel like a convention center, the decision on where I should direct my emotional investment is incredibly easy.
Robert - September 27, 2010
The Mariners are trying to be family friendly
The Seahawks aren’t.
The big question is what crowd will show up when the Mariners are good again. My fear is that between the family friendly part and the sky-high ticket prices the crazy loud people will be priced out of the game and the fans won’t be much of a factor.
surfmonkey89 - September 27, 2010
Baseball is a much more mellow sport than football.
So I don’t think that, even if they won two World Series in a row, that the Mariner games would ever be as loud as Seahawks games. And not for the reasons you believe so.
Coach Owens - September 27, 2010
Baseball is more mellow than football, but that doesn't mean baseball crowds can't be rowdy.
Even ignoring the great crowds at Yankees and Red Sox games, check out the fans at a Phillies game. Those people are insane. That’s the type of place I’d like to watch a baseball game.
Teej - September 27, 2010
ALCS clincher
If the Ms ever clinch the AL at home it will bring the house down.
We’re a repressed city just waiting to assplode :)
surfmonkey89 - September 27, 2010
The one thing I miss about the Kingdome
is that everyone there was there to see baseball.
That place could get impossibly loud if the fans had something to cheer for.
Poochie - September 27, 2010
I was there for the urinal troughs
Matthew - September 28, 2010
They we're stinky
Poochie - September 28, 2010
JI strikes again.
Decatur - September 28, 2010
Kingdogs!
Winding concrete ramps! Darkened concourses!
lemonverbena - September 28, 2010
Both packed with fans!
yuniform - September 28, 2010
The concrete ramps scared me/mystified me as a kid.
They were creepy, but after big games it was like the party would just continue out of the stadium and down the ramps.
sanford_and_son - September 28, 2010
There was a science to navigating through that postgame downward throng
People got bunched up at the turn. My skills are going to waste in modern architecture.
lemonverbena - September 28, 2010
This is what I miss.
I do not miss the stadium one bit. What I miss was the people and sadly many of them were priced out of Safeco.
Sec 108 - September 28, 2010
Agree
Interestingly, and this just struck me now with all the juxtaposition of Safeco and Qwest and comparisons, but despite the obviously deep-rooted connections they now have in my brain, none of the particular emotions toward each stadium carries over to its corporate sponsor.
I adore Qwest Field. That translated into exactly nothing when it came time to pick an internet provider.
Matthew - September 28, 2010
But you knew the company name and what services they provide
And had a positive connotation to the name, even if you didn’t choose them. Win for the sponsorship.
lemonverbena - September 28, 2010
I suppose they figure die hard baseball people will show up regardless, therefore treat them like shit and cater to all the casual fans/ non-fans
i bet it is harder to fill a baseball stadium 81 games a year when your team is not good
Poochie - September 28, 2010
This is why I think the only thing I'd take exception to in Jeff's post
Is the notion that it’s largely the same people in both venues. I’d argue — pretty vigorously, I think — that’s actually not the case. Seahawks fans are a different group, and a different breed.
I think your point about the two franchises, Robert, is well taken. I got to go down on the field during pregame warmups as part of a VIP thing that they do for some season ticket holders. I’m constantly blown away by how first class the Seahawks are in everything they do, and felt compelled to tell one of their front office guys who was down there. We matter to the Seahawks. I’ve never truly felt that way about the Mariners.
The best way I can describe it is this: Leading up to the opener, I wasn’t all that excited. Lots of pessimism over where this season was headed. But then I got on the Sounder with the other fans, and then I walked to get a hot dog, and then I got in the stadium, and then I watched introductions, and then I watched the 12th Man flag go up (even if it was Chad Brown … I mean really — Chad Brown?) … and all of a sudden I remembered why I love it, why I keep buying season tickets even if they suck.
And lookie here: They don’t suck! (Yet, anyway.) Bonus!
Jeff Nusser - September 28, 2010
Fantastic read.
Glad you enjoyed your experience.
Fearless Frog - September 27, 2010
Another awesome post from Jeff
kelly20210 - September 27, 2010
Hasselbeck might have seen Mrs. Jeff.
I may want him to retire, but I do love that man.
The Typical Idiot Fan - September 27, 2010
He has by far my favorite athlete persona.
Robert - September 27, 2010
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JAH - September 27, 2010
And recently...
Brian Wilson
JY - September 27, 2010
His interview with Jim Rome was the most out-there interview I've ever seen.
Decatur - September 28, 2010
Welcome (back) to our world.
There is no place on the planet like Qwest. There are no better sports writers than what we have in Seattle.
Thanks for validating what I feel but lack the eloquence to relay to others.
The Manchild - September 27, 2010
Great post Jeff, could not have said it nearly as well.
Glad you ended up at a game that turned out so great.
Hopefulmsfan - September 28, 2010
Great post, Jeff.
I’m a Raider fan. I’ve only been to one game at the Coliseum. Afterward, I concluded that 75% of Raider fans are borderline disturbing people.
flashbeak - September 28, 2010
Only 75 percent?
Jeff Nusser - September 28, 2010
You want crowd noise? Okay!
Romo’s fumble
Josh Brown hits a game-winner
These clips give me goosebumps every time.
Phil Hatzenbuehler - September 28, 2010
I teared...
for Josh Wilson…
Cheddar28 - September 28, 2010
a safrmetric (?) question
I admit – I’m not a fan, although this whole experiential crowd orgasm thing is intriguing. And maybe now I will go to a Hawks game. But before I do, here’s an observations and a question or two that I’ve had for a while.
Last fall, I was forced to scrub off the moss and spend one month in State College, PA. It became quickly evident that watching the games there was not optional, as are Husky games here. I have lived here about 20 years now and I can count on one hand the number of times a stranger has asked me about the Huskies – but yet random people in state college were asking me about second-string Husky running backs. And you had to know what happened on Saturday just to make it through the weeks interactions. Waiting in line at the store it was common for a stranger to yell “goddamn that interception was awesome” and get everybody chattering. Watching the games was a survival skill in that town.
So I did – I watched three games, and it was fun. None were home games, so I didn’t get the crowd thing. But in each one of them, the outcome seemed so random. One came down to a endzone play of inches on the dragging foot on a diving reception. The umps seemed to have an undue influence with fairly subjective penalties. Lots of luck, plays called back, etc.. Not to take away from the obvious skill and effort involved, but it didn’t seem to me that the outcome of the contest was a fair representative of who was the best team on that day. much like an average baseball game. But that is why we play 162. Does 12 football games actually help decide who is good or not? I get that the point of the post is that it may not matter, but I’m curious.
Astrobiology - September 28, 2010
After reading that, I want to go to Quest.
EnglishMariner - September 28, 2010
I will take you.
Robert - September 28, 2010
The only time I've been to Qwest is for a Sounders game ... before they were an MLS team.
Not so loud.
I was hoping for a description of Robert making use of the running-around-room.
msb - September 28, 2010
The funny thin about Robert making use o the running-around-room is that you don't notice it until you realize he disappeared.
Then you wait ~five minutes for his return.
katal - September 28, 2010
Sad but true
My first Seahawks game was the season opener in 1984 when Curt Warner was lost for the season.
Suburban Shocker - September 28, 2010
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