This news first broke some time ago. You'll forgive me for not immediately jumping to my blogging battle station. I saw it, I thought about it, and I decided I didn't need to hurry to get something up because Carlos Guillen traffic isn't going to blow up the website. I used that time to do something I deemed more important, which turned out to be making lemonade from concentrate. I haven't yet tried any of the lemonade. Maybe after this post!
At last week's media luncheon, Jack Zduriencik said that the Mariners weren't necessarily done for the offseason, but that any subsequent additions would probably be small chips. There was expressed interest in finding some kind of veteran bat who could lend the group of position players some experience. Zduriencik might have known then that he'd be signing Carlos Guillen.
Maybe he didn't. But he's now signed Carlos Guillen, to a minor league contract with a spring training invite. It's not the most surprising of transactions, given that we heard reports connecting Guillen and the Mariners back in early December. Those of you wondering who's going to be this year's Adam Kennedy? Carlos Guillen is the new favorite to be this year's Adam Kennedy.
If he makes the team. That's not guaranteed. It's never guaranteed. Even Ichiro isn't guaranteed to make the team. Think about it. Guaranteed. Carlos Guillen has much lower chances of making the team than Ichiro does, but Ichiro doesn't have a 100% chance of making the team. It's kind of hard to tell where Guillen could fit. The team obviously signed him because they have some possible fit in mind, but how versatile is Guillen, really, after all of his injuries? There's easy space if the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen, but will the Mariners go with a six-man bullpen? And on and on. Maybe Guillen makes the team. Maybe he doesn't, immediately. Maybe he doesn't, ever.
If he does make the team, it's important to understand that you shouldn't expect too much. Guillen used to be a Mariner, as you recall. Then he became good. Between 2004-2008, he posted a 127 OPS+. He's posted a 95 OPS+ since in limited time, with his time being limited due to injuries. Carlos Guillen has had a lot of injuries. He's 36, now, so it's not like the injury-proneness is going to go away.
A healthy Guillen can provide some kind of defensive versatility and decent offense from both sides of the plate. A slightly less healthy Guillen is probably the normal Guillen these days. An unhealthy Guillen doesn't play.
Except for that one time! You knew you weren't getting out of this post without me going back to the old story about Carlos Guillen playing through tuberculosis. Before the 2001 season, Guillen was at his home in Venezuela. In spring training, he tested negative for tuberculosis according to a test that apparently has a fairly high error rate. Guillen started the season slow, and on May 19th he collided with Al Martin, with Martin ending up concussed.
Guillen progressively felt worse and worse. People figured he was suffering the after-effects of the collision. He didn't say anything to Lou Piniella. It's around now that I'm going to begin with the blockquotes. Ken Daley:
Every morning Carlos Guillen woke up and wondered how he was going to play a baseball game that night.
His head ached. His chest felt almost bruised, as if he had been taking hard jabs the night before. His cough had turned his throat as raw as sandpaper.
His sheets were damp from the fever he was running. And the bed, which had become his haven, was becoming harder and harder to leave.
Teammates said he had been ill and had occasional nosebleeds, but he hadn't complained to manager Lou Piniella or team coaches.
Pitcher Jose Paniagua said Guillen had been sick for about three months and had told him he suspected the blood he was losing was from his lungs, and not his nose.
Further:
Piniella thought Guillen's performance was a tad lackadaisical during the team's trip to Texas last week, and asked coach Dave Myers to talk with the shortstop. Guillen did not offer illness as an excuse. He merely told Myers, "I'll pick it up."
KOMO:
Because tuberculosis is a contagious disease that spreads through the air like the common cold, the Mariners players were concerned about their own health and the health of their children.
Carlos Guillen was severely ill. He was severely ill, and getting iller, for months. He didn't say anything to the team, even when presented with an opportunity. And the team, for its part, somehow didn't notice. The Seattle Mariners weren't worried too much about their ill regular shortstop and were surprised when tests in late September revealed tuberculosis. Tuberculosis! That Guillen had been playing through for months!
Guillen put up an 87 OPS+ that year over 140 games. The year before, he had an 86 OPS+. His numbers in the second half were better than his numbers in the first half. He was batting .439 in September before he went to the hospital and found out he had tuberculosis.
Tuberculosis!
The Carlos Guillen story is insane. I can't believe that happened. I can't believe that happened the same year the Mariners won 116 games. Guillen returned to play in the ALCS half a month later. Given all of the injuries Guillen has faced over his career, I'm sure there are a lot of people who think he's a wimp. Carlos Guillen isn't a wimp, to the point where he endangered his own life.
The Carlos Guillen tuberculosis story is old now. He doesn't have tuberculosis anymore. (We think.) What he has is an assortment of skills that is a lesser assortment of skills than he used to have. Maybe he still has enough to contribute. Maybe he doesn't. The Mariners will decide on that within a couple of months.
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[cough cough]
msb - February 1, 2012
What has always amazed me is not that he didn't mention it to anyone, as we know how stupid athletes can be about injuries and illness and playing time
but that none of the other guys mentioned their worries to any one.
msb - February 1, 2012
He should just rub some dirt on it.
It being the lungs. To sop up some of the blood. You know, nevermind.
JY - February 1, 2012
moss.
better absorption.
msb - February 2, 2012
For this reason I think he's far more deserving of the Doc Holliday nickname than certain other individuals who shall remain nameless
OlSalty - February 1, 2012
"You're no daisy!"
sanford_and_son - February 1, 2012
I wonder if this presages a Chone Figgins move.
Smegmalicious - February 1, 2012
Oh man.
ignacio - February 1, 2012
That was my first thought too
Though replacing one with the other really seems like a lateral move at best given the fact that Guillen is fragile and not athletic enough to play the outfield. I guess I’m okay with that if it means chipping away at the $8 million Figgins is owed in 2013, but I’m not sure it makes 2012 any less painful.
What are the chances that both Figgy and Guillen make the major league roster out of ST? Nada unless Seager gets hurt, I’d bet.
_Hutch_ - February 1, 2012
The most important question
How was the lemonade?
surfmonkey89 - February 1, 2012
I can never remember which one is Carlos and which one is Jose.
wetzelcoal - February 1, 2012
Racist.
Cascadian Man - February 1, 2012
Carlos is the one that died on the Oregon Trail.
ThomasG - February 1, 2012
Whereas Jose made it, but he was the only one
Aaron Campeau - February 1, 2012
What about hose b?
EequalsMc2 - February 1, 2012
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J0SER - February 1, 2012
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Aaron Campeau - February 2, 2012
This is my favorite move of the offseason
SuperDopaLiciousFunkStar - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Never should have left
And I’m pretty sure Ichiro is guaranteed to make the team. Even if he doesn’t get a single hit in ST….what, do you really see him getting cut?
Aly Edge - February 1, 2012
Nothing is certain.
Ichiro could die in a plane crash on his way to Arizona, for instance. Compared to other players, his spot is pretty much guaranteed to him, but that it’s guaranteed that on opening day Ichiro is a member of the Seattle Mariners, no one can be 100% sure, except for time traveler Jeff.
TIFO - February 1, 2012
Well yeah, I suppose _death_ would revoke him his spot
But short of that? Fuggetaboutit.
Aly Edge - February 1, 2012
I get the feeling that, should something strike Ichiro down, he would become more powerful than we could possibly imagine.
SeattExPat - February 1, 2012
As they say in politics, it would take a dead girl or a live boy
Bearskin Rugburn - February 1, 2012
My first thought was yay, Carlos Guillen.
Then I remembered he’s 36.
:(
Fearless Frog - February 1, 2012
Carlos Guillen is so old... that he once got Tuberculosis!
No, really…
Kenneth Arthur - February 1, 2012
If he got TB as a yout
Think of all the horrific diseases he could get as an old man. Think of all the interesting headlines and articles we could be reading this season. This really is an exciting move.
Craptastic-J - February 2, 2012
Rec'd for My Cousin Vinny reference
d0nkey - February 2, 2012
I am now whelmed.
Thank you.
Cuffs_Coddle - February 1, 2012
Please don't put his locker next to the young rookies
JLC - February 1, 2012
How in the hell did he not spread TB to anyone else? They sit in close proximity on the bench, share limited air space on planes and buses, etc.
abender20 - February 1, 2012
He probably had that lazy Mexican TB
Matthew - February 1, 2012
Guillen is from Venezuela, not Mexico
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
So Matthew confused him for Jose Lopez again
abender20 - February 1, 2012
How on earth could he get those two confused
Jose Lopez is good. Carlos Guillen was drunk while driving
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
Not Jose Lopez
Jose Guillen. They both have the same last name. And were at one point in their carreers, even if briefly, decent ballplayers. And have been Mariners.
Bradley Barwell - February 1, 2012
No I'm pretty sure he meant Jose Lopez
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
So? Does that mean he can only get colds from Venezuela?
You are so racist
Matthew - February 1, 2012
How does that make me a racist
all I am trying to do is provide you with medical facts, which I think I am qualified to do as the only MD in residence in this thread
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
Everyone is an MD on the internet
Snuffleupagus - February 1, 2012
Yeah, a Major Dickhead
abender20 - February 1, 2012
Heyooooooooooooooooo
JAH - February 1, 2012
Just because you're Korean doesn't make you a doctor
Matthew - February 1, 2012
Oh now who's the racist
I should start making up facts about your people too
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
The bloggers
seattlebruin - February 1, 2012
Bloggaz be trippin
OlSalty - February 1, 2012
Nice
Dewey N - February 1, 2012
You're Korean?
beastwarking - February 1, 2012
Nah, he's Taiwanese.
abender20 - February 1, 2012
TW OK
w00tah - February 1, 2012
Taijuanese.
abender20 - February 2, 2012
If it's accuracy you want, then you'd better refer to the only professional engineer in this thread.
abender20 - February 1, 2012
Wait, they gave him a PE?
Hahahahaha
Graham MacAree - February 1, 2012
Nah, he had TB not a PE.
Serena Williams had a PE.
abender20 - February 1, 2012
Puma Endorsment?
EequalsMc2 - February 1, 2012
No
abender20 - February 2, 2012
Only way I see him making the team is if Figgins goes away, the team decides Seager will be the back up SS or the team decides Seager needs a few more months of AAA
BaronVonBullshit - February 1, 2012
Lunger
lemonverbena - February 1, 2012
It makes sense, in that he can play the outfield (sorta) and third base.
But I really don’t think he’d be much of a step up over Figgins. Neither would be very good, and Figgins’ durability would be nice.
BigR - February 1, 2012
That's right.
If we have someone on this team that we expect to provide no value, we need to be able to rely on them to do it.
Droid Rage - February 1, 2012
Even though you're being sarcastic, that is what I meant.
Having somebody who can play 3b and the outfield on the roster will be important if the team stays the way it is. If they go with Guillen and scrap Figgins, it’ll make a square peg for a round hole on the bench when/if Guillen gets hurt.
BigR - February 1, 2012
I do agree with you on Figgins vs. Guillen.
It would just be nice if the team had a choice with an incremental value over zero.
Droid Rage - February 1, 2012
He's not that far removed from being an average-ish 2B/3B bat
I think he’s a much better bet to be a useful regular than Figgins
Poochie - February 1, 2012
This Year's Adam Kennedy...
So would that make Kennedy “Son of Sir Hugs-A-Lot”, and Guillen “Sir Hugs-A-Lot, The Third”? And if so, where does Jack Cust fit in?
Also: Who’s gonna be this year’s Eric Byrnes?
NWade - February 1, 2012
The role of Eric Byrnes will be played by no one since he was terrible at baseball and blonde and oh wait hey Michael Saunders
abender20 - February 1, 2012
If that's the criteria then I call dibs on being the 2013 Eric Byrnes
since Saunders will be biking off into the sunset this year.
Eyebrows - February 1, 2012 via mobile
You're clear
abender20 - February 1, 2012
I eagerly await my chance to look really wacky while crashing into things.
Eyebrows - February 1, 2012 via mobile
No I was talking about your color
abender20 - February 1, 2012
I logged into the full site version just so I could rec that.
Eyebrows - February 1, 2012
In that case you better work on your swing.
You wouldn’t want to accidentally make too much contact and generate too many hits and prove to be more useful than Eric Byrnes.
Kenneth Arthur - February 1, 2012
I want Eric Byrnes and Nyjer Morgan to get together
and go fucking batshit insane.
Two Rs and Two Ls - February 1, 2012
I'm pretty sure Nyjer Morgan and Ochocinco are the same person
I mean, has anyone seen them in the same place at the same time?
J0SER - February 1, 2012
I think Jack Cust is now an Astro or something.
He’s in the best shape of his life,
ignacio - February 2, 2012
And I hear he's linked to Old Hoss Radbourne.
Paul AB - February 2, 2012
This is just a rationalization for losing in 2001
but didn’t the entire team get TB innoculations after this discovery? The side effects of which can be lethargy? Always blamed the loss in the playoffs on this, because as a human, I like to ascribe reasons to random variations of chance.
Snuffleupagus - February 1, 2012
Also...
playing a team in the ALCS so `roided up they appeared later that year in the SNL skit “The All-Drug Olympics” probably didn’t help.
All-Drug Olympics
Henry Valz - February 1, 2012
Im sure they probably did
I was in juvie at the time and everyone in the KC jail system had to take mandatory TB tests. Ever since I’ve had this irrational dislike of Carlos Guillen and blame him personally for having near frozen gel injected into my arm. I hate needles. Damn you Carlos Guillen!
CMoney87 - February 1, 2012 via mobile
Ooh, I didn't know about this reason!
That’s much better than my tendency to blame everything on Arthur Rhodes and his stupid fallability.
Nadingo - February 2, 2012
Carlos Guillen
and Chone Figgins would make a perfect platoon at the Water Distribution Engineer position.
qwertyiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm - February 1, 2012
We all know he was only signed because he's Venezuelan
Dewey N - February 1, 2012
Whatever
Makes the King happy.
sofa_king - February 1, 2012 via mobile
One degree closer to Freddy Garcia.
w00tah - February 1, 2012
Is that real, or is it just some running joke?
Why would he care if there are Venezuelans on the team? I could understand why he’d be more comfortable with fellow Spanish-speakers, but there’s not really that big a difference in accents between Caribbean Spanish and what you’d find in South America (now if we were talking a player from Spain, that might be different).
I’m sure he’d have an easier time talking with Montero or Olivo than Jaso, but beyond that..?
I’m probably overthinking it. I have a tendency to that ;\
Aly Edge - February 1, 2012
It's a Mexican/not Mexican thing
Guillen is Mexican, like Olivo and Paxton. We’ve just been a bit short since Jose Lopez left the team
seattlebruin - February 2, 2012
The thing I will always thing of when I think of Carlos Guillen
is the press conference Lou Pinella had after Carlos was diagnosed where Lou was almost crying.
Henry Valz - February 1, 2012
I can't imagine Lou crying unless he's angry.
EequalsMc2 - February 1, 2012
Or he was dreading the upcoming
TB shot.
xmet - February 2, 2012
Mark McLemore was such a shitty backup shortstop
Poochie - February 1, 2012
But he was great everywhere else.
EequalsMc2 - February 1, 2012
Guillen back with Seattle. Santiago back with Detriot.
Trade now nullified.
sofa_king - February 1, 2012 via mobile
He has been back with Detroit for a long time.
JY - February 1, 2012
They always get worse when they return
Poochie - February 1, 2012
Bret Boone! Raul Ibanez!
Jeff Nelson!
Miguel Olivo!
Arthur Rhodes!
EequalsMc2 - February 1, 2012
Jeff Nelson was a rebel reliever who played by his own rules.
He got worse when he left, was better when he came back then was worse when he came back again.
KC Mariner - February 1, 2012
Bone chips in your elbow or coughing up blood
I gotta go with TB on the toughness scale, just for the visual effect more than anything
Kermit. - February 1, 2012
SSS and all that, but Olivo passing the kidney stone was pretty tough.
Link.
KC Mariner - February 1, 2012
Adrian Beltre laughs at all those wimps.
JAH - February 2, 2012
Until you touch his head.
KC Mariner - February 2, 2012
JosÃas Manzanillo says 'Hi'
phiat - February 2, 2012
Hola*
Kenneth Arthur - February 2, 2012
Beltre takes the cake, probably even higher up than Josias, only because Adrian played through it.
However, I still vividly remember watching the Nomar Garciaparra Groin rupture. Aiiiiii!
HititHere - February 2, 2012
I agree, Adrian is probably the toughest guy out there
Josias had his removed as a result, whereas Adrian’s was ‘merely’ contused. Still hurts just thinking of it.
Anyway, I cannot hear about a testicle injury without thinking of Josias.
phiat - February 2, 2012
Neat, now he can entertain Felix with stories about him and Freddy used to go out and get stoned all the time.
Or drunk. Or both.
Goose - February 1, 2012
You're 100% wrong about Ichiro
The chances they could start the season in Japan without Ichiro and without starting a serious riot are zero.
Breadbaker - February 1, 2012
I thought it had been established that Kawasaki might have pulled a single asian utility player number on Ichiro by then.
So, there’s greater than zero chance Ichiro doesn’t make the trip.
KC Mariner - February 1, 2012
Oh, he'll make the trip
What do you think that suitcase is for?
(Sure, it contains a lifesize Ichiro Doll coming over; but going back…)
J0SER - February 1, 2012
I cannot wait to hear Wedge comment on his eyes in Spring Training.
KC Mariner - February 1, 2012
What about his heartbeat?
Aly Edge - February 2, 2012
How can you be sure?
Patrick Stites - February 2, 2012
Japanese Riot?
All of a sudden I have images of thousands of people looking karaoke bars and exotic pet shops and then getting back to their homes and realizing they only have 4 square feet of space left in their apartment and calmly returning everything.
Also, Japanese Riot is the name of my The Vapors cover band.
Kenneth Arthur - February 2, 2012
Not sure I can fathom one, really.
Japanese are publicly relaxed and only passionate in private. The post tsunami days should tell you everything you need to know. No looting. No rioting. Theirs is an impressive culture.
The Typical Idiot Fan - February 3, 2012
Larry Stone today on Carlos' return
and the nose-dive the team took about then
also, an old Finnegan piece about pitchers pitching through pain and not telling anyone
msb - February 2, 2012
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