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Everything I Know About Jesus Montero

When taking a break from the ritualistic Devil worship and puppy slaughter required of all Yankees fans, I've often passed the time by writing about Jesus Montero. That made more sense when he was a Yankee than it does now, but I thought it would be a cool way to get closure and maybe you're not completely tired of this story by now.

I've organized what I want to cover into some headings and sub-headings, please forgive the tackiness.

Offense

Power - Dingers to left! Dingers to center! Dingers to right!

You've probably heard Montero's opposite field power advertised as his number one tool and the reason why scouts are so in love with his bat. At this point in his career, I'd expect a lot more gap-to-gap power* than majestic home runs, as he tends to drive the ball more than lift it.

* Normally, there is a trade off between a stadium's friendliness to home runs and friendliness to doubles and triples. Big outfields take away home runs but yield big gaps; three of the top five triples** parks in baseball in 2011 were Comerica Park, Kauffman Stadium, and Petco Park, all considered to be pitcher's parks. Safeco Field was rated as the hardest park in baseball to hit a double in 2011 (.768), and is consistently pitcher friendly in doubles, triples, and home runs. I have two theories: 1) The ball doesn't carry. 2) Gutierrez.

** Jesus Montero hitting a triple against live human defenders. It could happen. On the other hand, probably not.

What I'm trying to say is that Montero hit almost twice as many doubles as home runs in the minors, and Safeco could take a bite out of that, especially with the way he runs. In a month with the Yankees, he was twice held to a single on line drives off the right field wall. That sucks, but he does hit the ball hard, and you can expect some more of those to turn into home runs as his power develops.

Contact and Discipline - Montero has seen a steady increase in K% moving up from AA to AAA to the majors, and he's definitely going to need to reduce the 24.6% rate that he posted in his September cup of coffee. Joe Girardi:

What I saw last year, I was really impressed with the adjustments that he made. Where he'd see a pitcher for the first time and he might strike him out with a curveball, the next time, he was going to get him. You know, he'd hit that curveball and he'd understand what the pitcher was trying to do to him.

Chart:

Conjecture: To make a limited comparison, I think that Jesus Montero has a very similar plate approach to Alex Rodriguez. He wants to extend his arms and use right center, but will guess inside and look to pull the ball if he thinks he's going to be challenged inside. However, being able to drive the ball on the outside corner and being able to elevate low fastballs make him susceptible to breaking balls that start in the same window and end up in the dirt.

Although it didn't appear much in this chart of a month in New York, as a plus fastball hitter, Montero has also shown a proclivity to chase high fastballs. If there was one area in his offensive package (outside of speed) that Montero could really stand to improve, being more selective on slop in the dirt and letter high fastballs would be a quantum leap forward. Easier said than done, but in the middle of last season, Montero's hitting really took off after a few quotes about being more selective and waiting for "the most beautiful pitch" instead of being as aggressive early in the count.

Leaving any foundation of fact and diving even further into conjecture, I like to watch players argue balls and strikes. Nick Swisher will complain about balls right down the middle and I know (guess) that he's not seeing the ball very well when he does. Montero drew a healthy number of walks (10.1 BB%) and the few times that he looked unhappy about strike calls, they seemed to be borderline pitches. For what that's worth (not much) and just from watching him, I'd say that he's got a pretty decent idea of where the strike zone is.

Splits - A lot was made of how Montero hit lefties much better than righties last season, but I wouldn't buy into it too much. Before 2011, Montero had no noticeable platoon split and all four of his home runs in the major leagues came off of right handers.

Baserunning - He's slow. And he's a rookie. He made two baserunning gaffes in September, getting nailed straying too far off of second against the Mariners (that's you) and trying to advance from second to third on a ground ball to the right side against the Red Sox. That could very well mean nothing, but it's something to keep an eye on.

Defense

As a function of Montero having only caught twenty-two major league innings and the continually changing understanding and valuing of catching defense, most of what I can offer is a non-expert opinion. Quoting Matthew:

By positional values, the difference between a catcher and a DH is 30 runs over a full season. Thirty flippin' runs!

By that logic, I don't think that Montero would cost the team thirty runs with his defense, as a -3 win catcher would have to be historically atrocious. Even factoring in the Mike Fast pitch framing stuff, it seems unlikely that Montero as an individual would not be more valuable as a catcher than as a DH. Whether or not that makes the most sense for the Mariners as a whole is likely dependent on how everyone else is doing.

As some dude with a television and the internet, here is my appraisal of what I've seen in the minors, majors, and Spring Training:

The biggest drawback to Montero's ability to catch is his size. While there are some catchers of comparable size who have played the position effectively (Joe Mauer 6'5 / 230, Matt Wieters 6'5 / 230, Brian McCann 6'3 / 230), those guys tend to have builds that are more lanky than stocky. Montero is every bit of 230 pounds and struggles with some of the agility aspects of catching, especially pitch blocking.

Spiked breaking balls or pitches that badly miss their target and require a quick reaction are where you're most likely to see him struggle, but his hands, receiving ability, and framing ability seem to all at least be passable. His one plus ability as a defender is a big arm, but he's often behind the clock with the amount of time that it takes for him to gather the pitch, unwind his body, and release the the throw.

Overall, I'd rate him as a below average major league catcher, with the ability to develop into an average major league catcher. He will likely never be great with balls in the dirt, but his arm should give him the ability to be a decent deterrent to the running game.

The only other position that I could see him shifting to is first base, and wouldn't at all be surprised to see him do the Santana, Napoli C/1B/DH thing at some point in his career. There was a contingent of Yankees fans who wanted to stick him in the short right field of Yankee Stadium. Not happening. I would say "not happening" to third base as well, but slightly less emphatically than right field.

Other Important Stuff

He's very smiley. He always talks about having fun when he plays and telling jokes to pitchers on the mound to get them to relax. He might just be a troll.

Enjoy the dingers(!) and I'll try and take care of Pineda.

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Comments

Thank you very much!

This is really informative.

I'll be happy as long as he can handle Felix's sinker.

Great post, by the way. Thanks a bunch.

Even "average" catchers have trouble with Felix's "sinker"

Which is why he runs one of the highest passed ball + wild pitch rates in the majors despite having generally good control (of course the Mariners did him no favors with some of the catchers they’ve run out behind the plate). Montero is not going to be able to handle it (at least, not consistently). I’d love to be proven wrong, but he just isn’t. That’s not really a knock against him: after all, he’s not coming to Seattle to be a hockey-goalie defensive whiz blocking the balls in the dirt., and if his best-case defensive ceiling is to be an “average” catcher, and average catchers can’t handle Felix’s breaking balls, then it’s not really fair to base your happiness on him being able to do that. With Montero, the happy is all in the bat; everything else (good and bad) just comes with it.

Personally, I hope Montero’s games at DH mysteriously coincide with King’s Court nights.

Also: yes, great post. Thanks for the work. But I thought Swisher argued because arguing is just another way to not ever, ever, shut up?

Yeah I think Montero will most likely start out catching Vargas and Millwood and such
I meant my comment to be tongue-in-cheek.

I’ll base my happiness with Montero on how well he hits and be content if he evens plays average defense behind the plate.

And then everyone will go on about how terrible Montero is as a catcher because of his CERA compared to [whoever catches Felix].
I can say with quite certainty that you must be one of the good ones.

You are ruining my imagined image of a Yankee fan yelling the F word and throwing their feces at opposing right fielders.

Oh don't worry

The stereotype has its basis in fact

I was thinking of that .gif on the home run ball from years ago...

where you had the one Yankee fan mock juggling the ball and a guy behind him clearly saying “FUCK YOU” over and over. There were about twenty amazing things going on in that shot and I want to go back and look at it now.

I hate this story because it makes me think a little less of Erik Bedard. =(
Have you heard much about him from a catcher IQ standpoint?

You know: calling pitches, sequencing, knowing hitter’s strengths/weaknesses, rapport with pitchers, etc

He only got a chance to catch 3 games last year (2 of which had ugly stat lines from the SP, the 3rd was just bizarre even by last-game-of-the-season standards) so you can hardly draw any conclusions from his mlb sample size. I’m wondering if you had heard anything during his rise through the minors from teammates or coaches about his mental makeup as a catcher?

Also, thanks for the excellent writeup.

I'm afraid I don't have much in the form of solid evidence to offer

but, in the limited amount of time with the Yankees, I didn’t notice anything to suggest disaster. Meaning, to the extent of my knowledge, he didn’t call for Mariano Rivera to throw a forkball or tell CC Sabathia to eat a salad or anything.

When Montero was first called up, Girardi was loathe to put him behind the plate because outside of a few Spring Training innings, he had never caught any of the pitchers in the rotation. I know that in the final game of the season, they pulled the starter after two innings and trotted out a bunch of bullpen guys, partly to get Montero reps with some of the other pitchers.

I’ve heard pitchers (in the minors) give him credit for calling a good game and helping them in jams and complementing his catching smarts, but it’s hard to know what to make of that (probably nothing). What I can say is that in the time that he was with the Yankees, even though he was used as a DH almost exclusively, he was still doing catching drills every day, working with coaches, and catching guys bullpen sessions to work on building up a rapport.

Maybe Montero could tell Sabathia to eat a salad now that they aren't teammates

That would be a fun turn of events to watch.

"Eat a salad"

“No thank you I just ate”

It doesn’t seem like it’d be that fun to watch

Dude, you're fucking hilarious.

You should stick around. Ever been to Washington? Real pretty state, and there’s no income tax! They’ve got this one cool, though often pathetic baseball team…

Very nice post for some dude with a TV and the internet.
What scares me is his minor league contact rates

72.8% contact%, 79.7% in the zone, basically one of the worst in the international league among those 23 or under.

If you want a comp, Alex Liddi had a 72.0% contact% and 77.2% in the zone.

He did “only” K 21.2% of the time vs. Liddi’s 26.7% so I hope it’s nothing. You can’t predict development though so I hope it improves either way.

Oh... oh shit...
He will definitely swing and miss.

He looks like he does at least some guessing at the plate, and like any hitter who does, is subject to getting fooled and taking a bad swing. In the whiff vs. contact plot, you can kind of see that he did a fair amount of whiffing on pitches in the zone as well as outside the zone.

I wouldn’t say that he necessarily shortens up his swing with two strikes, but I would say that he’s more likely to take a guess (usually fastball to a particular side of the plate) and swing for the fences if he’s not down to his last strike. That could explain a relatively higher percentage of whiffs than strikeouts, or it could be a sample size thing, or it could just be a baseball is weird thing. Definitely something to watch.

It's ok to swing and miss when you have bonkers power to all fields.
He better have 35-40 HR power then

7 out of the top 30 hitters (wRC+) had K% higher than 20%, and only 1 in the top 14 (Kemp with 39 HRs, .380 BABIP). The others had either 35-40 HR power (Granderson, Stanton) or .350+ BABIP (Morse, Gordon, Avila).

If he wants to be an elite hitter without .350 BABIPs or 35-40 HR power, he’s going to need to work on his contact ability, which is probably the hardest thing to improve at the MLB level. And that’s while working on catcher defense and developing his approach…it’s going to be tough. I believe in him though, he’s extremely talented.

Minor league zone numbers

Where do you find the minor league stats for contact in and out of the zone? Don’t see it on Statcorner.

This is basically what has me somewhat concerned as well

In my opinion, the minor league results don’t really jive with what the scouts have been saying about his hit tool, and not just last year. His K% jumped up a lot when he hit AAA (where pitchers start throwing decent breaking stuff) and stayed high both years he was there, got higher even, and this jump rather drastically impacted his production. He’s still very young and likely to be a good hitter regardless but scouts miss on hit tools all the time, maybe more than on any other individual tool because there is such a wide combination of skills that go into it that aren’t really centered around obvious indicators, it’s a skill that has nuances to it that are learned through experience (or not learned) that make it less projectable than other things, so it’s probably a good idea to not become enamored with the idea of him hitting .300 yet.

I do believe he’ll hit a lot of homeruns regardless. A looot.

If he can catch pitches thrown directly at him that don't break or bounce

then he’s better than Rob Johnson.

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